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Standard procedure.

Developer submits inflated application, Council refuses (with a wink), developer re-submits application with the amount of dwellings they wanted to build from the outset and the Council then pretends to begrudgingly claim that it's a much better application and starts to drop thinly veiled threats that if the current application doesn't go ahead then something worse may end up replacing it.

Sickening though it may be, Greenhalgh's comment does have some logic to it, given the way the planning 'system' works in this country. This is why people feel so stitched up by that system.
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Totally agree, Muggins... but back to the topic in question.

This is the story in today’s Swindon Advertiser (pasted in below). It is clear from what Cllr Greenhalgh says that this planning application will get planning permission.  I can't see his logic: “I think this development will protect the character of Coate Water and should prevent building between this land and Coate itself. "
 

In my opinion typical conservative councillor speak
Nice photo of him splashed on the page,
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Coun Peter Greenhalgh, the cabinet member for sustainability, strategic planning, property and transport, said the new proposal would protect Coate Water because it was designed to make it difficult for more homes to be built nearer to the country park.



Translated if you deny any new developer the opportunity to build on it, then its simple, build on it before them.  Perhaps that is what he is after self publicity, for his new council forum when it launches?  Will councillor Greenhalgh contribute more pearls of wisdom/views/opinions/ information of such gravity to the new council forum that we have been threatened with promised?
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 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Coun Peter Greenhalgh, the cabinet member for sustainability, strategic planning, property and transport, said the new proposal would protect Coate Water because it was designed to make it difficult for more homes to be built nearer to the country park.

I'm concerned for Mr Greenhalghs' sanity. Shouldn't he be taking the ink blot test?

 :WTF: How is planning (encouraging) to build property, going to make it more difficult (not allowing planning), on this land :WTF:
The GWH lie all over again. Very insulting, to the people of Swindon.
The Regional Spatial Strategy "excuse" is long gone, so this only serves to confirm my long term suspicions, that certain members of SBC have an "over cosy" relationship, with developers.
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Jean: "I can't see his logic: “I think this development will protect the character of Coate Water and should prevent building between this land and Coate itself. "

Well that's what our problem is - wobbly logic!

The best way to protect Coate and it's character and that of the surrounding land (to the water part of Coate) is to refuse any kind of development, there are reasons aplenty for refusing.

PG also says this is the best application so far - that's it SO FAR.  Keep going PG we might get something even better?

Jean: "This area has become a cause célèbre and if it is built on then I think there are going to be a lot of Swindonians who will lose faith in the planning system.” 

A lot of Swindonians already have lost faith in the planning system and subsequently local government, and the PPG's they don't take much notice of.

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Political News & Debate / Re: Nationwide Show A 0.4% Climb in House Prices
« Last Post by Ringer on December 31, 2010, 10:42:21 am »
What you would call 'better than a slap in the face with a wet haddock?

Great, fantastic, super  :santa_grin:
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Totally agree, Muggins... but back to the topic in question.

This is the story in today’s Swindon Advertiser (pasted in below). It is clear from what Cllr Greenhalgh says that this planning application will get planning permission.  I can't see his logic: “I think this development will protect the character of Coate Water and should prevent building between this land and Coate itself. "
 
The article also says that the Council is likely to make a decision about the planning application in February or March - we don’t have long to get people to write in with their objections.
 
 
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8763730.Fight_is_on_to_save_Coate_again/
 
Fight is on to save Coate again
9:40am Friday 31st December 2010

A REVISED planning application has been submitted to build homes near Coate Water.

In the latest application the original scheme to build nearly 1,000 homes on the site has been downsized following concerns from residents and official bodies.

Developers originally applied for outline permission to build an estate, including 960 homes, on farmland between the Great Western Hospital and Day House Lane.

Officials at Swindon Council said the proposed number of homes has been reduced to 890 and other revisions have been made, due largely to the objections.

The application has reignited old battles between those who support the plans and the Save Coate Campaign, which is against any building with 1km of the park.

Coun Peter Greenhalgh, the cabinet member for sustainability, strategic planning, property and transport, said the new proposal would protect Coate Water because it was designed to make it difficult for more homes to be built nearer to the country park.

But Jean Saunders, the founder of the Save Coate Campaign, said the council had gone back on its word that that the hospital building would be a one-off and, if a university wasn’t built at Coate, there would be no houses at all.

”This proposal is the best one I think that has been put forward for this general area,” said Coun Greenhalgh (Con, Freshbrook and Grange Park).

“What I would like to see is a development that is done sustainably and has minimum impact on the surrounding areas.

“I think this development will protect the character of Coate Water and should prevent building between this land and Coate itself.

“There will always be a section of the community who will say ‘no building whatever.’ “I think, however, that this will protect Coate Water for future generations as opposed to detracting from it.”

However, Ms Saunders disputes Coun Greenhalgh’s view and said if the floodgates are opened developers will not stop.

She said the revised proposal would still damage the natural and historical landscape, and would open the door to further development nearer Coate Water.

“Developing that area will never be acceptable,” she said. “If permission is granted for housing and offices in that area then it would just spread across to the fields that surround Coate Water. That’s what the developers want.

“They want those prime fields that look out across the lake and who wouldn’t want to live in a house with a lovely view of Coate Water?”

Ms Saunders, who is also secretary of both the Jefferies Land Conservation Trust and the Richard Jefferies Society, is writing to object to the revised proposals and urged others to do the same.

“This area has become a cause célèbre and if it is built on then I think there are going to be a lot of Swindonians who will lose faith in the planning system,” she said.

Swindon Gateway Partnership – comprising of Redrow and Persimmon Homes – originally wanted to build 1,800 homes in the area but the plans were refused at a planning appeal in 2009.

In May, developers submitted another application for up to 960 homes, as well as facilities including a business park, a local centre, primary school and an extension to the hospital.

But objections were received from residents and expert bodies, including the Environment Agency, Natural England, and Wiltshire Wildlife Trust.

Under the revised application, the developers have reduced the housing density in parts of the estate, and agreed to limit the height of buildings to three storeys.

A 21-day consultation on the revised plans is to start on Tuesday and the council expects to make a decision in February or March.
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Swindon Local Media / Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Last Post by swindonlinkman on December 31, 2010, 10:03:14 am »
Developers make formal application to build 890 houses on land between Coate Water and Great Western Hospital. Story at www.swindonlink.com
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Regenerating Swindon / Re: 3,000 more dwellings to be directed West of Swindon
« Last Post by swindonlinkman on December 31, 2010, 09:59:03 am »
Developers make formal application to build 890 houses on land between Coate Water and Great Western Hospital. Story at www.swindonlink.com (Can't find a Coate Water thread - please move this to right place so as to not mix up development areas)
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Political News & Debate / Re: Nationwide Show A 0.4% Climb in House Prices
« Last Post by Muggins on December 31, 2010, 09:52:00 am »
What you would call 'better than a slap in the face with a wet haddock?
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Political News & Debate / Nationwide Show A 0.4% Climb in House Prices
« Last Post by Ringer on December 31, 2010, 09:45:35 am »
Nationwide has shown that a slight climb of 0.4% in house prices. No doubt the government will take great heed from this great fantastic super news as their year of triumph ends.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/UK-house-prices-rise-targetukfocus-675588392.html?x=0
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