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Offline Steve Wakefield

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The snow will soon melt and with Luvvies leaving behind the LibDems and a senior LibDem Cllr calling Pickles and Schapps Laurel and Hardy, will the Libdem Vote melt? But don't worry LibDems your mate Cameron is popping in to save the Libdem conservative coalition. I know its the Telegraph, but its worth reading this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/david-cameron/8211591/Cameron-tones-down-Oldham-by-election-campaign-as-coalition-cracks-appear.html


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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2010, 09:11:07 am »
Oldham East and Saddleworth? That's a 'red rosette on a Donkey' job if ever there was one.

We're talking about people who actually voted for Phil Woolas  :santa_grin:

The LibDems/Clegg look screwed, nationally, though. Latest ComRes figures for the left-wing Mirror:

Which leader is turning out to be a good leader of their party/prime minister:

David Cameron: 38%
Nick Clegg: 26%
Ed Milliband: 17%

Even more surprisingly, Labour are down a point on voting intention (which means they're faring as badly as the LibDems, yet the 'deep cuts' Tories are UP a point - what on earth are Labour doing wrong??)

Voting intention

Lab 39% (-1)
Con 37% (+1)
LD 11% (-1)
Other 13% (+1)


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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 09:38:37 am »
I am pleased to see your endorsement of Labour and that in your opinion it is such a  safe bet Labour only won with a majority of 103 votes. If the Moredon vote was repeated then the Libdem result will interesting don't you think? Even after coming back and posting your stats I still thank you for the endorsement.

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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 09:42:57 am »
I am pleased to see your endorsement of Labour

Writing off certain areas as safe Labour seats is far from an 'endorsement', I can assure you.

and that in your opinion it is such a  safe bet Labour only won with a majority of 103 votes. If the Moredon vote was repeated then the Libdem vote would interesting don't you think?

Any area that will vote Phil Woolas into Parliament is barely worth discussing, frankly.  Any area that would continue to reward Labour after knowing what Phil Woolas has done pretty much descends into a laughing stock.
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Again you have pointed out that Labour won thanks for repeating this fact. If a you are writing off a 103 majority as a safe labour seat then maybe your view is shared by many more people than you think.

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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 09:55:06 am »
Again you have pointed out that Labour won thanks for repeating this fact.

Hang on, weren't you a Toryboy at one point? Did they lob you out or something? You do seem very bitter.
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 10:01:20 am »
As they say it takes one to know one. In answer to your 3 part question

Yes its a matter of public record

No

Actually I am quite mild

Are you a Tory troll?
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 10:04:26 am »
It takes one to know one.

If that's the level of your debate, no wonder Mr Montaut welcomed you with open arms.

Funnily enough, I'm not actually a Tory. Although, unlike some, I've always known my own mind and have never deviated from a committed anti-Labour stance.

ETA: I see you realised how bad your initial post looked and then went back to edit it  :santa_grin:
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 10:07:32 am »
Yes I edited it as I thought I would answer all of it
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 10:14:38 am »
It takes one to know one.

If that's the level of your debate, no wonder Mr Montaut welcomed you with open arms.

Funnily enough, I'm not actually a Tory. Although, unlike some, I've always known my own mind and have never deviated from a committed anti-Labour stance.

ETA: I see you realised how bad your initial post looked and then went back to edit it  :santa_grin:
Yes I edited it as I thought I would answer all of it

I hope you don't mind but I went back and edited again well actually I added to it:

Thank You,
I'm not actually a Tory. Although, unlike some, I've always known my own mind and have never deviated from a committed anti-Labour stance.


Thanks for the making that clear, it is interesting to see that you take an anti-labour stance why is that if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2010, 10:21:49 am »
Well thanks for the making that clear, it is interesting to see that you take an anti-labour stance why is that if you don't mind me asking?

Because I detest everything that party has done, whilst in government, in its entire history of existence - the last 13 years being amongst the most disgraceful of all.

I realise that Talk Swindon is a left-wing forum, but you really shouldn't call people names such as 'Tory Troll' just because they might not simply agree with you.

Believe me, if there was a party that could beat Labour forevermore that wasn't the Tory party, I'd be first in line to vote for them. As it stands, currently, they're the only party open to me to vote for. Such is our system of politics (which is still two-party, realistically).
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2010, 11:35:00 am »
Its odd to say that TS is a left wing forum, as I remember when it was called a right wing forum and that anyone with a left view would not come on here. As for Tory Troll it was a question, however your answer is very clear you are not Labour. I think that TS is a forum that justs allows posters to post and that is why I contnue to post on here. It does not try to convert, or influence views it allows expression and I think that there have been posters from Socialist Unity, Labour, Conservative, UKIP, Libdem, Green, BNP and Independent. Have we had any communists?

I think that I am not known for "calling" people for not agreeing with me, however I do scrutinise and question. Like anyone else I have disagreements with people.  If I am wrong I admit it. I think you are very clear about your views and such clarity is welcomed by me.  I am sure there will be other subjects we will have different views on. There is much room for pluralism  of political views on TS.
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2010, 05:20:33 pm »
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2010, 05:37:31 pm »
I realise that Talk Swindon is a left-wing forum, but you really shouldn't call people names such as 'Tory Troll' just because they might not simply agree with you.


Is TS a left wing forum? Seems to me it's open to all comers, I'd watch that persecution complex... As I see it, it's open to opinions, laughs, fun, politics, rants and grumps from all directions.

If debate is too much for the right wingers out there who can blame others for having a go at it.
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2010, 05:42:38 pm »
Not had much fun and laughs since 20 Eyes joined.   :santa_grin:

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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2010, 05:43:12 pm »
Is TS a left wing forum? Seems to me it's open to all comers, I'd watch that persecution complex... As I see it, it's open to opinions, laughs, fun, politics, rants and grumps from all directions.

It's open to all, of course, but the general impression I get is that it's left-leaning in the main. The left are very good at denying bias. I'm sure you've heard of the BBC  :santa_wink:

Interesting you mention a 'persecution complex', as it tends to be the left who are expert at whipping out the victim card whenever they don't happen to like something/feel they're losing the debate.

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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2010, 05:44:05 pm »
Not had much fun and laughs since 20 Eyes joined.   :santa_grin:

I rest my case - someone hears an opposing view and, all of a sudden, start making threats to stop posting and suchlike. Bit of a shame, really.
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2010, 05:49:09 pm »
Who made a threat to stop posting....??
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2010, 05:53:07 pm »
Who made a threat to stop posting....??

Hmm, now let me think...
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Re: Thursday 13th January 2011 Will There Be A big thaw as Lib Dem Vote Melts?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2010, 06:10:12 pm »
I did....rob magic, who else, I miss rob. Muggins didnt , not in the slightest .
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