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Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?

Sold to a developer for development
0 (0%)
Used for Social Housing
0 (0%)
Re Opened as A Royal British Legion Club
7 (70%)
Given to the community to run as a community  building
1 (10%)
I don't know it is up to the Penhill Community to decide
2 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: December 28, 2010, 11:54:36 am

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Offline Steve Wakefield

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Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« on: November 27, 2010, 11:54:36 am »
Penhill British legion What Should Happen to It?

I am asking this question, because it is a council owned building that is leased, as you know I support the Royal British Legion, and Veterans and 1st Battalion Wessex Association. I am being asked questions about the building and its future a s Royal british legion. As I am not the local councillor for Penhill, and I do not open this debate as a councillor, I was a member of the Penhill Royal British Legion Branch. However as supporter of Veterans  I think it is appropriate a debate is opened, as Veterans and members of the Royal British legion within the town have some interest in its outcome. Sadly Royal British Legion clubs are facing difficult times, yet paradoxically the Poppy Appeal is well supported and the charity help for heroes. 

People are asking should there be a permenant rememberance memorial at Lydiard. Could it easily be at Sevenfields?  As I hide and await Muggins "incoming" barrage welcome contribution  :surrender: Or do people think the walled garden is more appropriate for a field of rememberance?

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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 01:06:03 pm »
Steve

Contrary to popular belief the Penhill RBL BRANCH is still operating as a RBL Branch, I believe that their AGM is tomorrow at 11am in the John Moulton Hall.
It was the Social Club that went bust. As always it’s a social club that actually runs the social club element of Royal British Legions.

I understand that it is not all cut a dried yet as there are still some locals trying to get it reopened. A lot of barriers not least the amount of work that needs doing inside. There is also the problem of the creditors which means the club cannot be taken over by a new social club until the old one is wound up.

I also believe that, should the worst come to the worst, talks are already being had with the local church to relocate the Penhill RBL Cenotaph outside the church.

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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 02:16:20 pm »
There should be no problem as soon as the debts are sorted out. It can carry on I am sure there is someone out there waiting to get involved. I'll ask Bob Wright as the legion meets in the pub next door to him the Southbrook, so he can have a word with them.

Moving the Cenotaph is also an interesting matter, as I asked in my opening post maybe it could part of a field of Rememberance at Seven Fields?
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 03:11:16 pm »
Steve  I have had little to do with the RBL apart from enjoying some scrummy meals in the town centre many years ago. My step father is an old soldier so I use to meet up with him in the town RBL.

I do know Alan Baker, (one the many who run the poppy appeal), I use to work with him and I know he uses the Southbrook as a base because of the lack of RBL facilities. He probably uses the Southbrook because the landlords Bob and Gina were the successful management in the Town centre RBL. When they ran the legion it use to be packed to the gunnels with no issues regarding finance. I think things changed when they moved and took on the Southbrook, turning into a great local pub.

I think it is 'Big Society' time again. There are huge welfare issues surrounding the forces, mainly housing and health. It would we be great if we could help them to get a centre that met the welfare needs and offered a social centre. Based on the old chestnut that such a centres fail without good Stewardship I think a proper business plan will need to be backed by the right management. Too often the old forces members are let down by poor management and soft systems. However I am willing to chip in and do some fund raising if things moved forward.

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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 04:47:42 pm »
When it closed and all sorts was being thrown around as to it's future, I phoned one of the longest serving members, who has her head screwed on the right way - I knew what she said would be so and not speculation or gossip.  She asked politely, that we back off until all had been through the independent assessors and that is what most of us would do - back off and give them room to resolve theri problems and not speculate or accuse.

If it is in fact a SBC building - are you sure of that Steve?  We have a community use for it, in fact6 I can think of more than one use. More about that following whatever happens after the 6 months. 
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 06:30:17 pm »
When it closed and all sorts was being thrown around as to it's future, I phoned one of the longest serving members, who has her head screwed on the right way - I knew what she said would be so and not speculation or gossip.  She asked politely, that we back off until all had been through the independent assessors and that is what most of us would do - back off and give them room to resolve theri problems and not speculate or accuse.

If it is in fact a SBC building - are you sure of that Steve?  We have a community use for it, in fact6 I can think of more than one use. More about that following whatever happens after the 6 months. 

I do apologise for implying it is a council owned building in my earlier post it was my enthusiasm to post before I went out. I should have said it is on land which I believe that is owned by the council, that is what I was told some time ago. I can ask and clear that one up. Someone also asked me recently if it was leased to the RBL from a leasee, perhaps it is a matter that can be cleared up at the same time? 

Either way if  we have to wait for up to 6 months whilst matters take their course, then  that is a message I can now feedback or give to those enquiring when asked. If you have got 6 community uses for the building that is such good news. However until I opened this thread I did not know that, and thank you for that contribution.  There will always be much speculation about an empty building/not being used. Its curiosity and some may say human nature to be curious. I always find that when little is being said there is a void, or worse still a vacuum that people fill in many times over often out of good intention. Sometimes simply repeat what they have heard so letting those with a curious  interest in it know that there is much interest in retaining it. Cannot be harmful in any way to its sustainablilty.

The legion closed in August there was a meeting at the beginning of September and on 1st november a post was put on the Penhill blog about the legion.   I always ask questions and scrutinise, as I personally have heard several things about the legion and its future. Some from people in Penhill and others who do not live there, but have good/the best intentions for the legion. It is good to see that the straw poll I started has a 5 out of 6 votes ticking the Reopen as a legion answer to the question. Which I take as a positive as it supports what I believe many will welcome as it is a good use.

I know that there are people out in Swindon that will come forward and help the Penhill legion people, if they want it. This is the sort of club/facility that we can all ill afford to lose. I am always worried and I know communities are when I see buildings that are standing idle being eyed up as a potential "infill" opportunity, either by the council or a developer. I am sure we could all name 5 examples easily I will start with the Army Cadets hut that Bailey's Farm Gdns is built on. Allotment/backland sites,  sites like Pinetrees, The old reading Room at the Bungalows, Headlands School site, etc.

I always ask questions and scrutinise what I am told about any building or land that may have a connection to the council no matter how tenious it is, the Oasis is the most recent example. I do this as I first became involved with the fight to Toothill Farmhouse after reading this headline Future of Youth club is in doubt, and I was the local councillor! Read the link below and see the words used by the people involved. I have never made a complaint before about anything in a council, but I did about this( Oh and the Scout Hut is also on the site). I was a conservative councillor and this was a conservative lead council doing this to me and my fellow conservative councillor.  Yes we fought it as you can see from what is said in the report it was at an advanced stage and the club went from strength to strength.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/archive/2005/01/31/Wiltshire+Archive/7256827.Future_of_youth_club_is_in_doubt/

I am genuinely concerned about this matter and like Bob Wright if I can help I will the offer is open. I have read the Penhill Blog about the legion and I will wait, but will others?

PS I forgot this one http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/archive/2004/06/16/Wiltshire+Archive/7276713.How_green_was_Shaw_forest/
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 06:45:57 pm »
I have no input into the management of the Legion, but I hate and abhor picking over bones until I know the animal is dead. A tad too much gleeful lust for my taste. Local people are involved, lets wait and see what help they ask for, is what I say - they know where to come.

I understand/remember? that the British Legion built the place and subsequently understand the building is on leased land, I expect you know more than me that this is often done. The British Legion were certainly first in the building and have been ever since.   

As a matter of interest the land next to the car park is leased on a 99 year lease to the Scouts. I suppose in the hope that one day they can build a scout hut - use No1??   I don't know how the 6 crept in there, fruedian slip aye.

What would be best is to see the Legion fully re-instated of course.
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 06:52:42 pm »
I have no input into the management of the Legion, but I hate and abhor picking over bones until I know the animal is dead. A tad too much gleeful lust for my taste. Local people are involved, lets wait and see what help they ask for, is what I say - they know where to come.

I understand/remember? that the British Legion built the place and subsequently understand the building is on leased land, I expect you know more than me that this is often done. The British Legion were certainly first in the building and have been ever since.   

As a matter of interest the land next to the car park is leased on a 99 year lease to the Scouts. I suppose in the hope that one day they can build a scout hut - use No1??   I don't know how the 6 crept in there, fruedian slip aye.

What would be best is to see the Legion fully re-instated of course.

Scout hut great idea and re-instated  ;) Your knowledge is as I keep saying better than mine, and others who post on here as the oracle you are the font.  :azn:
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2010, 09:06:41 am »
I know I was the one who said very nobly and in a no nonsense posting about picking over the bones of the Legion debacle, but I have to share this with you.

Latest gossip on the grapevine.  :knuppel2: 

Kevin McCloud is interested/involved/ planning for future use of RBL site!!  Hope, he's thinking escarpment protection, landscape value etc.

Shame we could use that building!   :santa_smiley:
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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2010, 02:21:09 pm »
Yes it is a shame, but maybe there is other parties interested out there !
I suppose time will tell.

I think the building its self needs a little bit of TLC , and I recon with a good service and makeover, it would be/is a fantastic place to be used by the community.

Who is Kevin McCloud ?
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2010, 04:14:28 pm »

Who is Kevin McCloud ?

Grand Designs presenter.  His company has also been involved in 2 sustainable housing projects in Swindon...

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Re: Penhill Royal British legion What Should Happen to It?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2010, 04:31:01 pm »
Because it is a legal matter at the moment, I dont want to say anything that breaks the barrier, but the development on pickards field small, which is one of Mr Mclouds interests, has just taken a turn for the worse, as far as he is concenrend.

 

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