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Will the  UKIP chappies be letting Justin Tomlinson MP & Robert Buckland MP know of what they think about every man, woman and child in Britain forking out £265 each to sub the Irish Government? Was UKIP also hoping that Cameron would give a referendum, as the 2 Tory PPCs supported it? Today I wonder if  UKIP is pleased with the news that Britain is bailing out Ireland to the tune of 7 Billion? Can the MPs confirm that it is just a coincidence that the amount their government is cutting from the public sector is 7 Billion? What did/do our MPs know?  Do they support Osbornes bail out of 7 Billion, whilst supporting a cut to the public sector of 7 Billion?  Will they be supporting  the bailing out of Portugal and Spain if or when it is needed?

UKIP may have saved the pound, but it appears UKIP cannot stop the CSA maintenace payments to the Euro even though the marriage has never been consumated.  :coffee:
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CSA maintenace payments to the Euro even though the marriage has never been consumated.

Oh I dunno. I feel that I am receiving a good, and regular, seeing to.
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I think the devil is very much in the detail with this particular one...

I talked about it with my father last night who living in (Northern) Ireland was aware of a number of things I wasn't.

As part of the Good Friday agreement,  there were some joint projects agreed between the UK and Irish governments, some for investment in Northern Ireland.  Examples: there was a proposal to build a cancer hospital in Londonderry which would be used by people in the North West of both Northern Ireland and Donegal, with Ireland contributing to the running of it.  This would remove the 150+ miles people in the South, and the 100 miles people in parts of Northern Ireland currently have to travel for cancer treatment. 

(There are other similar projects planned as well - this is just one I'm very aware of as my father's had to travel 85 miles each way  for treatment which when you're in your 80s is quite a major undertaking).

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Osborne is effectively lending the money to make sure that these items don't get cut from the Irish budget I am 100% in favour of what is being done (as otherwise there is an effective huge additional cut in the economy of parts of the UK).

It's also worth noting that at an economic level, Northern Ireland is significantly impacted by what goes on in the Republic... so this way (at least in theory) Osbourne is avoiding worse problems in the Irish economy rippling into parts of the UK.

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The UK banks are into the PIGS for about £300 billion apparently, these days that means us. There are rumours floating around that Italy is looking to bail from the Euro altogether, found some 5 year old references to it, one involving a complicated hedge fund plot:

In short, billions upon billions of hedge fund euros have quietly been placed on a bet that this German/Italian spread will at some stage explode. Germany might be in a mess, hedge fund managers say, but it is not in anything like the mess facing Italy. They are speculating that Italy will eventually be forced out of the euro so it can devalue its currency and reinflate its economy.

If that were to happen the disparity between German and Italian government paper would not be measured in terms of 0.19% or 0.21%, it would be 3%, 5% or maybe much more. And the hedge funds would clean up - spectacularly.

Ironically, these fund managers say the counterparties to these high-rolling spread bets tend to be second and third-tier German banks, where money managers, having got a new type of financial instrument through their bureaucratic management committees, then have a tendency to repeat the same bet whatever the financial weather. Credit default swaps - a modern way to speculate on relative bond performance - are one such instrument. So, the theory goes, if Italy finds the euro heat just too hot to bear, the immediate financial damage might first appear in Frankfurt.

 
Still, as that nice Angie Merkel says:

"A good European is not necessarily one who helps quickly. A good European is one who respects the European treaties and helps in a way that doesn't damage the stability of the euro,

This makes me a very, very, very bad european.

It's a bleedin mess and when I have my grown up head on I can kind of see why we have to prop the Euro and those who spunked gazillions of the poxy things, then normality returns and I think feck the lot of them.

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Certainly this UKIP member is less than happy about the bail out, not the least because Ireland let down 450 million people when they voted Yes to Lisbon.

Even as we speak the Coalition is selling out the UK. The new Sovereignty Bill contains clauses that allow Ministers to decide if the handing of further powers to the EU amounts to a further surrender of Sovereignty.

This is what the EU thinks of it's members states.:

EC President Herman van Rompuy has walked into a wall of criticism after calling Euroscepticism 'a lie' in a speech on Wednesday.

Mr van Rompuy – famously branded a "damp rag" by UKIP Leader Nigel Farage – told a German audience: "We have together to fight the danger of a new Euro-scepticism. This is not longer the monopoly of a few countries.

"In every member state, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world. It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!

"Today’s nationalism is often not a positive feeling of pride of one’s own identity, but a negative feeling of apprehension of the others. The time of the homogenous nation-state is over."

Meanwhile it seems UKIP have a greater empathy and understanding of our Commonwealth brothers and sisters than the Coalition does;

A major delegation of Parliamentarians from 31 Commonwealth nations gave a warm response to speaker David Campbell Bannerman MEP and UKIP policy on a visit to the European Parliament in Brussels yesterday.

Many delegates praised the MEP for his 'candidness' in revealing the European Union to be undemocratic, in direct contrast to the democratic nature of the Commonwealth.

They also welcomed UKIP's policy of creating a Commonwealth Free Trade Area (CFTA) worth 20% of international trade and valued at a potential $1.8 trillion, while condemning the EU's Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) and CAP foodstock dumping as being little more than neo-colonialism.

http://ukip.org/content/latest-news/2003-commonwealth-warms-to-dcb-trade-talk

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on reading my paper today, I see that in the final days of office, Mr Darling signed an agreement with the EU, whcih means that should Italy,Spain Portugal, or any other EU country now go to the wall, the UK will have to bail them out as well as the Irish, I wonder if Mr Darling has made any comment on the Irish cash bail out yet..

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on reading my paper today, I see that in the final days of office, Mr Darling signed an agreement with the EU, whcih means that should Italy,Spain Portugal, or any other EU country now go to the wall, the UK will have to bail them out as well as the Irish, I wonder if Mr Darling has made any comment on the Irish cash bail out yet..

I've not heard anything yet, but it seems things in Ireland could reach meltdown very quickly. The opposition are calling for a vote of no confidence, and an election, whilst the Irish Prime Minister is having to face anger from his own party with some calling for his resignation.

It seems that the bail out deal relies on Ireland getting through their budget on December 7th. Far from a certainty.

 

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