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Offline Ringer

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2010, 07:16:29 am »
It is clear that the infrastructure spending in this country is woefully inadequate, evertyhing is getting more cream crackered as time passes. Railways are but the tip of the iceberg, gas pipes, water, electricity distribution and generation need sorting, whilst the people sit back worrying about who will win  X factor, strictly or I'm a celeb.

Woe betide any government that has a national powercut during the final of X factor they will be lynched. Such an event will be a mere drop in the ocean on the "predicted public unrest o meter" that the commissioner spoke of yesterday. It appears that politicians can ensure that rail fares increase above inflation and people can be packed into a train in a manner that would make a sardine blush. As long as the diet of "reality TV and cook offs is maintained"

In the Doc the other day I read a magazine aimed at "modern" women, it was a well known one and it went something like Celeb had fat bum now thin bum, singer had fat bum now thin bum, tv personality fat bum now thin bum, this was repeated all the way to the middle of the magazine. It then went Celeb had thin bum now fat bum, singer had thin bum now fat bum, tv personality thin bum now fat bum!!

There was not a mention in that magazine anywhere of anything other than gossip and pap. Is it all just some sort of modern opium for the masses? To mask the reality of life ie what is really going on around us?   :coffee:
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2010, 08:21:49 am »
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I take great offence at that! Take it back or resign, right now
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Now I'm stuffed - I want to resign but I can't as i don't belong to anything - how sad is that  :'(

Bob - you are right in that there are some honest politicians - so I would have changed the post to 'some' but i can't.

As to the suggestion Labour would have engaged with the diea of tidal power - sorry mate but that just was never going to happen.  Labour was and is as fixated a the LidDem are on wind power. The problem is that the technology is weak, the output weak and the environmental argument is weak.  Apart from that it's fine.

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2010, 08:30:24 am »
As to the suggestion Labour would have engaged with the diea of tidal power - sorry mate but that just was never going to happen.  Labour was and is as fixated a the LidDem are on wind power. The problem is that the technology is weak, the output weak and the environmental argument is weak.  Apart from that it's fine.

 :2funny: and Some may argue that it also clutters the landscape when intensively farmed?
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2010, 11:00:18 am »
The thing that worries me about the current situation is that budgets are being cut and the very people least able to cope with it will be the worst affected. 

As many of you know I have been a life long Conservative but cannot reconscile what is happening both locally and nationally with actually helping the most vulnerable and at the same time living within our means.  I, therefore, find myself unable to support a government that has a 'happy pole' and a council that spends money on so called road improvements at Drove Road, for an alleged cost of £110k, when installation of the railings on their own for an alleged of £10k would suffice.  What was built appears to be utterly pointless as traffic maintains its speed through a more confined space.  There are many other examples but along with Wi-fi I regard this as an obsene waste of public money and something for which I would expect the so called party of business to account.

some chance!!

We want politicians in Swindon who are honest about their intentions, treat our money as if it were their own and who engage with the people who they expect to elect them.  In other words they are servants of the people, not people just there to stroke their own egos!

If I believed I could make any difference whatsoever in this bearpit of a council I would love to serve, but I am nothing but a realist and know I would not last five minutes before I lost it!!  Added to which I would be my own man which is probably the reason why Nick Martin never asked me to stand as a Conservative Candidate.  I am very glad he didn't, because I would have walked and become an Independent.

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2010, 08:35:46 pm »
If I believed I could make any difference whatsoever in this bearpit of a council I would love to serve, but I am nothing but a realist and know I would not last five minutes before I lost it!!

That's the reason I've never put myself forward for election to the council. (Plus the fact that in order to stand a reasonable chance of being elected I'd need to align myself to one of the big parties, and I wouldn't be able to maintain my own principles whilst following the line dictated by the party I'd aligned myself with).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Party politics sucks. It sucks the life out of democracy.
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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2010, 10:10:34 pm »
When people become politicians they, generally, become pointless.

I really cannot see what they are for.

I cannot see what good they do, and if they do some, well what do you know, here come another bunch to undo it.

Most of what is shit in life, at an impersonal level, though there is a bit of seepage, can be attributed to a politician.

Can the same be said of what is good in life? Anything good they ostentatiously do is normally because they just undid something another one did.This country limps on despite politicians and their petty political point scoring, not because of them.

Tory good, Labour bad, Labour bad, Tory good. Inane bollocks. That system now sees us bankrupt financially and ambling towards morally, yet both collections of dogmatic idiots would have us believe they have the answers to extricate us from a situation they knowngly led us into by their actions, inertia or incompetence.

No poiltician has the right to stand on a platform and berate the opposition wibbling  'They did this, they did that etfeckincetera' There is no distinction, they are all the same when it comes to results, it's always the same, it is failure

That's not negativity, that is the facts as I see them.
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2010, 10:18:21 pm »
Wow, OO-er. Pass the bottle Mart.

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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2010, 12:54:56 am »
Richard - If it (the council) changes into the 'Court of common sense', a reforming body through challenging debate will you join in then or is only TS that can do that?

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Re: The Butchers' Budget When will the Christmas Turkey Be Eaten?
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2010, 09:44:51 am »
I am hearing from colleagues that the budget in February will be very interesting. Incidentially my odd councillor friends have let slip that there was to be a meeting of the full council on the 6th of December as advertised on SBC website. This had been put back until 16th December. The 6th of December is a Monday and is normally a group meeting night for the parties. It is still be advertised on the SBC website taken at 09.38 this morning

21 May 2010 2.30 p.m. - Agenda, Minutes; Annual Council
15 Jul 2010 7.00 p.m. - Agenda, Minutes
23 Sep 2010 7.00 p.m. - Agenda, Minutes
7 Oct 2010 7.00 p.m. - Agenda, Minutes; Special Meeting
11 Nov 2010 7.00 p.m. - Agenda
6 Dec 2010 7.00 p.m.
13 Jan 2011 7.00 p.m.
17 Feb 2011 7.00 p.m.

I hope no councillors are going to a "different party meeting" that night anywhere in the town as it looks like the "court of common sense" can be moved around the calendar like some feast?  ;) I await with anticipation to hear the reason why the meeting date has been changed, any court of common sense members care to comment as to why an advertised meeting has been moved at short notice without letting the wider public know?  :popcorn:
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2010, 10:31:18 am »
I can confirm that I have been informed the meeting is now on 16th December. The reason for the shift is to allow more time for a report to be produced.
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2010, 04:57:52 pm »
I keep seeing things about the Swindon Think Tank, what is this, who is it, what's it all about?
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2010, 11:57:52 am »
For anybody who is interested I have just written a piece on why the cuts are not necessary. You can read it here:

http://martinwicks.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/government-austerity-why-the-cuts-are-not-necessary-part1/

Or download a PDF

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2010, 04:58:58 pm »
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The independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) says public sector job losses will not be as high as previously thought.

The OBR now expects 330,000 public sector workers to lose their jobs over the next four years, far fewer than the 490,000 it forecast in its June report.

At the same time, it raised its estimate for economic growth this year, from 1.2% to 1.8%.

But it lowered its growth estimates for the next two years.

derp derp herp herp derp

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2010, 09:45:48 am »
For anybody who is interested I have just written a piece on why the cuts are not necessary. You can read it here:

http://martinwicks.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/government-austerity-why-the-cuts-are-not-necessary-part1/

Whether they like it or not, the Left are going to have to get used to the fact that social engineering will take a different turn now that Labour have finally been removed from office. The irony is that it was Labour's social engineering and vote buying on an epic scale that will make it so easy for the Tories to implement their own agenda.

Anecodotally, and, again, ironically, I'm already hearing plenty of people very clearly making it known how utterly sick and tired they are of continually hearing about that nebulous mass, 'the most vulnerable in society'.

It seems that now the Pavlovian response to shouting the word 'racist' has been all but eradicated (outide of The FA and The Guardian offices), the 'most vulnerable in society' is the new mechanism for shutting down rational debate. The danger is that if this continues, a percentage of the population will start to question why we 'need' the 'most vulnerable in society' at all.
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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2010, 10:04:11 am »
What a horrible world we are going to be living in then.  People might not like hearing about it, but there are vulnerable people - lots of them and through no fault of their own.

If this is the Tory way then God help us.

I only hope that it's just the people you mix with 20eyes.

So they don't want to know about children with no parents, elderly people, sick and disabled people and children, battered women, the mnetally ill etc?

I hope they enjoy their bubble. 
I fancy that the Tory's will distance themselves from any comment like this.
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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2010, 10:32:18 am »
What a horrible world we are going to be living in then.  People might not like hearing about it, but there are vulnerable people - lots of them and through no fault of their own.

If this is the Tory way then God help us.

Aside from the fact the world's never been a particularly nice place, it's not the 'Tory way'. I'm referring to comments I've heard from people of all political persuasions. Just as the Left doesn't have (although they seem to think otherwise) the monopoly on 'caring' (they just rule the roost when it comes to paying lip service), the Right isn't always the bogeyman when it comes to not giving a shit.

I only hope that it's just the people you mix with 20eyes.

Thankfully, my working, social and family scene is very much a broad range of political views and beliefs. That was basically my point - the idea that you can simply dismiss the undercurrent of feeling as just being confined to 'Tories' highlights the slightly in denial attitude that the Left persist with and which does nobody any favours.

So they don't want to know about children with no parents, elderly people, sick and disabled people and children, battered women, the mnetally ill etc?

They do want to know about them, they just don't like politicians using those people as political ammo, which, I'm afraid, is what things are smacking of at the moment. A 'cut' is mentioned and, immediately, it will 'devastate the most vulnerable in society' regardless of what that cut is, what the intention behind it is and, seemingly, what the actual result of it is. Just look at any Swindon Advertiser article on cuts and you'll see what I mean. It's the boy-that-cried-wolf effect that the Left don't appear to realise is undermining their own case.

I hope they enjoy their bubble.

Again, stereotyping doesn't help. The two most selfish, and self-centred, people I currently know are staunch Left-wingers (to the point of some hilarity, actually). They are quite comfortably the most deluded and out of touch people I know, very wealthy too.
 
I fancy that the Tory's will distance themselves from any comment like this.

Of course they will. That's my entire point - we all now have to outwardly be seen to tilt our heads and put on a sad face whenever the 'most vulnerable in society' card is played, that's what makes the whole thing so distasteful. These days, politics is about not being able to tell the truth. Look what happened when Howard Flight mentioned an economically obvious reality, which is even backed by the factual evidence... we all have to pretend he was wrong.
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2010, 01:05:16 pm »
Here's an interesting article about another government re 40% cut in Support for Mortgage Interest, which can have life changing consequences for the individuals concerned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/dec/05/mortgage-benefit-cut-lose-homes

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2010, 02:09:31 pm »
Indeed a decision on SRI was announced in Darling's Budget Report in December 2009 when he said that after June 2010 (in anticipation of winning the election) or to embarrass an new Government - "he would lower the maxium payout, replacing it with 'a fairer, more affordable approach, that more closely reflects mortgage interest rates'.

The rate SRI paid was typically base rate plus 1.58%. Even though mortgage rates have generally fallen since the rate was set at 6.08%, the SRI continued to be paid out at the higher rate.

The coalition has done exactly what Labour were going to do. I am sure that even the most hardened socialist would agree that paying relief based on someone paying 6.08%
interest does seem odd given that many recipients of the relief were paying well below this amount.

Some of the examples quoted are indeed very sad and for the people concerned the loss will be 'life changing'  But is it right that the state (the taxpayer) continues to fund mortgage interest payments where the circumstances are such that even after the maximum period of time has expired the person with the mortgage will still be unable to
pay the interest payments.

Those who cannot take part in the SRI scheme, as they still have one member of their household earning a salary, can partake in the much wider-ranging Homeowners Mortgage Support Scheme. This is aimed at borrowers who either lose some of their income, or where one half of a couple loses income, and pays just 30% of their mortgage interest for up to two years.




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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2010, 02:36:56 pm »
One of the big talking points about the welfare of say the OAPs for instance, was how the tories cut the rise in pensions each year which was then linked to the index rise, so Mrs Muggins, if your so concerned about the welfare of these OAPs, can you tell me how many times Labour raised the pension limit in its 13 year hold of the government strings.. and then reflect on how Prudence gave India 800 million pounds in aid and two weeks later they sent a rocket to the moon, I think the phrase look after your own first comes into mind, and in the last couple of months has this pension  rise now been implemented, even if we are broke, Sorry global crash time............

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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2010, 05:29:18 pm »
Aye?  I'm a pensioner too you know, as is Mr Muggins.  I doff my cap and am eternally grateful for anything I get given (if I can wrestle it off the old skinflint!)

I am not however, beholding - after a life lived NOT on benefits and Mr Muggins always having employment and give him his due, he worked hard and long and saved all his working life. I think that whatever the state gives now, we are due.   And of course I have three children working - no hang on a minute - every single member of my close and extended family is working and paying in now.

I may not be working for money now, but still contributing almost full time to the Big society - and being economically active in as much as the bank are using our savings and we are still spending enough to keep the wheels of commerce greased. I think I can look any Tory in the eye.

On the past record of the Labour and Tory part, well, we will see. Did you take the Winter fuel payment Kohima??
 
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