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Offline Rochelle

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2010, 10:12:39 am »
I have eight highly efficient guinea pigs, for smaller areas...just a thought...

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2010, 06:55:04 pm »
quote from the Labour election manifesto: housing benefit will be reformed so we do not subsidise people to live in private sector accommodation on rents working families couldnt afford, writer, Ed the Red,
I wonder who else missed those vital words, before they went to print......... :2funny:

Offline Des Moffatt

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 07:57:43 pm »
On housing benefit.
I support the Labour position going into the last general election but then I would wouldn't I.
The rules exist and existed, mostly put in place by the Labour Government to control runaway claims for housing benefit.
Firstly there is the option on a new claim for the administrating authority (the local council) to take a view on under occupation of the property involved in the claim. Then there is the option having been satisfied that the accommodation is appropriate to the needs of the applicant/family, that they can take a view as to the rent level being applied. If there is concern in that regard they can refer the matter to the rent officer for the area, an independent autocracy, ours is Bristol based.
However, if the tenancy existed and was self funded for a considerable time before the claim is made these rules do not and should not apply.

That neither of these measures appears to have delivered the desired result of limiting abuse is a failure of those professionals I contend.

Indeed I pursued a case where I considered there to be abuse but the "system" refused to act.
In short a 1900s two bed terraced house had been converted to three separate units without planning approval and the combined Housing Benefit for the property was £1200+ a month.
Turning over every stone I could find did not resolve that. Email traffic on the case is available, personal details redacted. Time has resolved the issue now.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 08:02:16 pm »
Redacted

1. To draw up or frame (a proclamation, for example).
2. To make ready for publication; edit or revise.

Looks good to me.

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2010, 08:35:49 pm »
I've always seen housing benefit as an excuse for landlords to name their price, I would.

For more in that vein nip along to 'Burning Our Money' and type in 'Happy Shopper'.

I am strugglling to conceive how £400 per week is 'not enough'. If I had £400 a week in my bin I wouldn't live here, though I like it very, very much.

if asked for in excess of, or close to £400 for a flat in London my answer would contain expletives, but it's ok if someone else is subsidising it?

It is shit but I say cut away, make the market behave, efter all, we are all in this together.
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2010, 06:47:42 pm »
Here's another bright idea for putting thousands more people on the dole:

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=35&storycode=4127786&c=2

I'm sure this will enhance the service provided by GPs!!!

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2010, 06:21:24 am »
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The prime minister's enterprise adviser has apologised after saying most Britons had "never had it so good" despite the "so called recession".

Lord Young of Graffham told the Daily Telegraph the Bank of England's decision to cut the base rates to 0.5%, meant many homeowners were better off.

But he later stated that he had written to David Cameron apologising for his "insensitive and inaccurate" remarks.
Downing Street said that Lord Young's comments were inaccurate and offensive.

A spokesman for the prime minister said Mr Cameron was "unimpressed" by the interview.
He said Mr Cameron "believes, at this difficult time, politicians need to be careful with their choice of words - these words are as offensive as they are inaccurate."

In the Daily Telegraph interview, Lord Young said: "For the vast majority of people in the country today, they have never had it so good ever since this recession - this so-called recession - started..."

Lord Young, a former trade and industry secretary during Margaret Thatcher's government, added that "most people" with a mortgage found their monthly repayments had decreased by up to £600 each time.

He suggested the government's cuts, outlined in last month's Spending Review and totalling more than £80bn over four years, would just take state spending levels back to what they were in 2007 - a time, he said, when people were "not short of money".

He said: "Now, I don't remember in 07 being short of money or the government being short of money.
"So, you know, I have a feeling and a hope that when this goes through, people will wonder what all the fuss was about.
"Of course, there will be people who complain, but these are people who think they have a right for the state to support them."

He said that the forecast of 100,000 public sector job losses a year was "within the margin of error" in the context of the 30 million-strong job sector.
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Offline Richard Symonds

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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2010, 01:38:24 pm »
Wednesday week ago I was at a local market in South Molton in North Devon talking to stall holders who described their trading situation as dire taking as little as £50 for a days work and some them travelled serious distance, such as Penzance.  Some of their number have already given up and their slot replaced with 'junk' stalls.  They were going stick it out for the sake of the market which is otherwise under threat of closure.

and their explanation of their problem was down to the retired not having any disposable income because they lived off the interest from their savings.  Perhaps this is the other side of the coin!

Perhaps Lord Young would be wise to keep such rediculous comments to himself or get into the real world and find out how the other half lives!!

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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 01:14:48 pm »
Interesting piece in the Observer from the England goalkeeper David James - something to do with budget cuts relating to sports.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/nov/21/2018-world-cup-bid-england

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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 02:15:02 pm »
Interesting piece in the Observer from the England goalkeeper David James - something to do with budget cuts relating to sports.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/nov/21/2018-world-cup-bid-england

What a well written and true article Martin.

The same could be said for athletics. During my years as an athletics coach and official exactly the same comments and arguments were being put forward but no additional funding seemed to filter down to the grass roots or schools level. Everything done at local club level was on a shoestring and by a small number of volunteers not made any easier with the culture of extreme health and safety legislation and child protection. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against either but when parents could not become involved in their own childs activity, without a deal of legislation being complied with, a great potential is lost. :wakeup:

I myself became involved in both football and athletics coaching through my own childrens participation and carried on long after they themselves became parents. Seeing my grandchildren being encouraged into life enhancing, sporting activities gives me personally a great pride. O0

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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2010, 02:50:44 pm »
That's an important and profound turn of phrase you have there Spectre: "life enhancing". Something which cannot be measured by money or 'success'.

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2010, 03:23:00 pm »
Guys I am not quite sure what part of Lord Young's comment was wrong.  Insensitive to the people who are likely to lose their jobs - absolutely - but he didn't tell a lie or exaggerate the truth. He stated a fact and in that he was and is 'right' not 'wrong'

We have become a society where the 'taking of offence' has become a national past time, where a quoted opinion must be diluted of any sense in order that it doesn't offend.

The co-alition has embarked on a programme of cutting expenditure and rasing revenues, the Labour Party would have done exactly the same other than they would (allegedly) have spread the pain over a longer period. That's easy to say now but let's be honest all politicians lie and connive.  Labour came to power and continued in power supported by lies, and yes I can idnetify some pretty big porkies told by Blair and Brown which failed to be honoured, in their case they couldn't even plead that there was 'no money'

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2010, 04:39:20 pm »
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We have become a society where the 'taking of offence' has become a national past time, where a quoted opinion must be diluted of any sense in order that it doesn't offend.

I take great offence at that! Take it back or resign, right now!
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2010, 05:12:34 pm »
 :2funny:  Time to flounce out,  I think.....

So on the defensive are some people do that, even when you are agreeing with them.
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Re: The Butchers' Budget
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2010, 06:49:53 pm »
Des At the risk of causing offence to your perspective of the world not all politicians lie. I will introduce to you Jenny and Rochelle, their work is based on caring, understanding and following up. Lying catches up with you and if you have any conscience at all it can also lead to anxiety.

Lord Young just illustrated there is still  an 'us' and 'them', having a blinkered perspective and choosing to ignore the plight of others appears to show ignorance or disdain. In either case he appears to not be fully engaged in the real world and he would have been a poor advisor without the complete picture.

Now to the politics, there was/is one distinct difference between Labour and the other parties apart from the spread of cuts and that was in the area of work. Labour were going to initiate long term projects such a rail electrification, tidal wave energy capture. Not only would this reduce benefit pay out with no return, keep dignity, re-skill and aid the economy now and in the future, it would also pump start growth in deprived areas.

What do we get instead a 'Happy Survey'

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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2010, 10:02:39 pm »
Yes, only thing is that they were spending money that they didnt have and so we went bankrupt.. and now we see that in the final hours of that government, Mr Darling has signed an agreement, which binds us to the EU, so if any member state goes broke again, following on from Ireland, then we have to pump money into the fund to rescue them,, one of the faults was that they thought they were world leaders and they werent.......just men spending more than  they took in, in taxes etc..

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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2010, 10:11:32 pm »
Labour were going to initiate long term projects such a rail electrification, tidal wave energy capture. Not only would this reduce benefit pay out with no return, keep dignity, re-skill and aid the economy now and in the future, it would also pump start growth in deprived areas.


Erm, when?

13 years to get their arse in gear and create a green and pleasant land and they got voted out. That is a feckin long preamble to little or no avail. Impressive budget deficit though. That record should stand for some time. Unfair maybe, but dems de facts.

The cycle starts with the announcement of an election. Promises are wheeled out, a third leg for every man, woman and child, restoration of The Empire, if elected we will pay you interest on your income tax, everybody will live for ever, an aircraft carrier in every port, no bloody foreigners, British jobs for British people, NHS appointments just before you need them etbloodycetera, adbloodynauseam.

They get elected.

The promises are shelved to be replaced by initiatives and imperatives all of which are, I'm speaking generally here, are shite, unpopular and feckin news to me. The losers will immediately forget that a few short months ago they were voted off for being shoite and begin pontificating on the shortcomings of the present incumbents who a few short months ago were voted in. Or near enough in this case.

The present incumbents will then embark on a few years of pretty much repeating the mistakes of the previous lot, though from a different political platform. The opposition will universally deride every decision. This is a strange peculiarity of politics in Government. The participants will maintain a 100% record of disagreement.

The cycle starts, again with the announcement of an election. Promises are wheeled out, a fourth leg for every man, woman and child, abolition of The Empire, if elected we will abolish income tax, everybody will live for as long as they want to, an aircraft carrier and submarine in every port, no bloody foreigners unless they can quote Shakespeare, British jobs for British people for life, no need for NHS appointments because illness will be abolished etbloodycetera, adbloodynauseam.


Damn right there is an us and them, there are politicians and people and the majority of them place the party first.

Apart from that I think they are great and do a cracking job.
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.

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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2010, 12:13:42 am »
Mart experience can be bitter on the other hand nothing gets changed through negativity. Nothing gets built or improved by saying no because someone else got it wrong.

Here's one I got wrong, prior to the Oasis being built I argued for an Olympic sized swimming pool, I thought it would be better for Swindon. My view was coloured by being a reasonable Swimmer and attending the local Dolphin Swimming classes. Today I know most Swimming pools are not sustainable without the support of other attractions or money making experiences. I learnt that Swimming pools attract customers if they are fun to use. I learnt trying to swim for fun when someone wants to hog the pool for their keep fit regime can be a pain. I got it wrong and I am grateful someone got it right.

I got it wrong when joining the council thinking that I would have nothing in common with opposition councillors. I do have something in common with some opposition councillors who are progressive and who want what is best for the residents.

Today I am pleased that new powers proposed by Labour have been introduced by the Tories to tackle domestic violence.  However dropping the electrification of the local line is an opportunity missed to my mind. It is not an outrageous Labour committment and makes sense for now and the future. I have been told the cost of a Severn barrier would be about the cost of three atomic power stations and this would produce the equivalent energy of eight atomic power stations.

I can not deny some Politicians of all parties make promises they do not keep, ask all those who were 'with Nick' Clegg how do they reconcile a commitment to the students with a commitment to the Tories.

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2010, 12:50:10 am »
Kohima we have always spent money the nation never had. The great trick (Con) has been trying to compare Government with running a household. Is that the household which has a mortgage that can't be afforded, the houshold that has credit cards with interest rates which in the past a Loan Shark would have been proud off or is it the household that has bought interest free not realising the interest is in the price.

Government responds to the issues it faces and the policies it wishes to pursue. The last Government saw the run on Northern Rock, they reacted to save the money of the ordinary bank savers not the banks. In this case my money, possibly your money and my friends and families money. The alternative Tory policy, 'do nothing', let the banks collapse, survival of the richest.

Perhaps Mr Darling thought we were part of Europe and not world leaders. You might have noticed the support continues in spite of the rhetoric, no localism on this occassion, no de-ringfencing, no choice for the people however it is 'big society' but are we happy?

 

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