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Offline Geoff Reid

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2010, 11:44:50 pm »
+10 days from the Swindon Conservative Councillors voting unanimously FOR Cllr Edwards & Bluh's 'Re-Cast' budget and Mavis Childs remains stuck-fast in a Catch-22 of her own making.

Perhaps a few wise words from Swindon's only independant Councillor might spur Mavis into telling the residents of Walcot know why she voted FOR Cllr Mallinsons £6 million cuts in adult services on one hand and generously allowing a 2.5% reduction in green fees for golfers at Broome Manor on the other.

Anyway, it looks like Cllr Wakefield knew exactly what he was voting on, and he didn't have the benefit of several recent 'group' meetings at which Mavis and her Conservative chums discussed the budget at length.


Quote from: Steve Wakefield
"There is some confusion in Swindon about the recent vote on making nearly £6 million pounds of cuts to the council’s recast budget. At first it was just on www.talkswindon.org  however now I have been discussing this with members of the public who cannot fathom what is actually going on in Swindon.

All this discussion is about the subject of which way councillors voted in the debate is on the public record. The papers to the council, (From Cabinet, via scrutiny) clearly state that, the vote was for or against minute 3.  Anything else is mere conjecture."

What are you waiting for Mavis?

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2010, 11:37:10 am »
Pointed to this by Lamplighter 'Jody'.

Published by the Swindon Conservatives on 01/04/08 - Conservative Candidates, Swindon Borough Council Elections

http://www.swindonconservatives.com/news/556/

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"Mavis has been a councillor for more than ten years and has a long and formidable track record in helping Walcot residents.  She holds weekly surgeries and deals with a large amount of casework for local residents.  She believes everyone should get a fair deal, whatever their circumstances."

So Mavis has over 12 years of council experience.

Still waiting Mavis

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2010, 04:32:52 pm »
John Presscot, who is a relative of Mavis, would be disgusted with her. Come on Mavis we are ALL
 waiting.
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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2010, 06:06:53 pm »
Dont' know whether people have seen this is today's Adver, but it is just the latest sign of the human impact of cuts, even on a small scale.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8457750.Disabled_people_warn_of_cuts_in_care/

Some disabled people might have to wait for assistance to go to the toilet up to 90 minutes!

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2010, 07:20:28 pm »
Martin, do you remember, some time ago, when that frail lady was taken into hospital for care, and she was left overnight in the cleaners cupboard as they had no other room for her, so its nothing new to some, to have to wait for ages, just those who now seem in the front line.......

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2010, 07:25:31 pm »
Martin, do you remember, some time ago, when that frail lady was taken into hospital for care, and she was left overnight in the cleaners cupboard as they had no other room for her, so its nothing new to some, to have to wait for ages, just those who now seem in the front line.......

So because of that it's OK then? :(
That's depressing.

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2010, 09:14:05 pm »
Can't remember a cupboard Kohima. Must have been a big cupboard. Mostly trolleys as I recall. But that had nothing to do with the Council did it?

You may recall that when the new hospital was opened, within weeks the full-up signs were put up. That, of course, was as a result of the hospital being too small - too few beds - because of the exhorbitant cost of PFI. They had to spend more money (on more PFI's) to create more beds.

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2010, 12:04:34 am »
Councillor Bluh was quite clear today when, in a radio interview, he confirmed that the Vote Mavis seems reluctant to discuss was definitely a vote on his re-cast budget.

Tomorrow I will quote exactly what he said, word-for-word.

As the first victims of Bluhs budget get steadily closer to the prospect of suffering the indignity of sitting in their own shit because their care visits are affected by budget cuts she has voted FOR, perhaps Mavis might explain how her conscious decision to vote FOR these cuts is best serving the elderly, disabled and vulnerable residents of the Borough.

If she was acting as a conservative councillor voting FOR a conservative budget then, fair enough, she might find the courage to defend her vote but, even today, she continues the 'poor me'routine by saying she's being picked on.

Mavis can't have her political cake and eat it as well.  Even her leader realises that.

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2010, 10:38:41 am »
I am not sure any councillor will be perturbed by being singled out over a vote, or even be concerned that they are bing picked on in any way as it goes with the role and is all part of holding public office and being in public life. It is possible that some politicians may use the poor me routine as mentioned and as they say no names no packdrill.

The conservative councillors voted for their recast budget, and Rod's Column in the Swindon Advertiser refers to that. I am becoming uncomfortable that this episode is becoming a distraction from what the effects of the recast budget will actually mean for Swindon and its people.

As far as I am concerned all councillors have their vote on this matter written into public record. Surely that is the end of the matter? I think that articles more like the one about Shaplands will surface  over the coming days/weeks and then all cllrs can clearly stand by their conscience, in particular over why they made the decision to vote for or against.

It is at that point that I along with many more in this town will hold conservative councillors to account for their vote. Conservative councillors may think they are right, but many people will not be in agreement with them. I know I am not, but then they may take the view that my position is wrong. Only time will tell if conservative councillors acted in the best interest of the people of Swindon. :popcorn:
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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2010, 12:01:32 pm »
John Presscot, who is a relative of Mavis, would be disgusted with her. Come on Mavis we are ALL
 waiting.

Hey Bobby I believe you are wrong on this one as I have been told that John Prescott was a close friend of one of Mavis' brothers, who recently died and as JP was unable to go to his funeral his wife Pauleen attended to represent him.


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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2010, 12:40:50 pm »
I am not sure any councillor will be perturbed by being singled out over a vote, or even be concerned that they are bing picked on in any way as it goes with the role and is all part of holding public office and being in public life.

Am I 'picking' on Cllr Childs or scrutinising why she said she would do one thing yet did entirely another?

The conservative councillors voted for their recast budget, and Rod's Column in the Swindon Advertiser refers to that.

As he did again in the 105.5 fm interview yesterday. He was very clear about it. You can listen to it again at 13.00 hrs today.

I am becoming uncomfortable that this episode is becoming a distraction from what the effects of the recast budget will actually mean for Swindon and its people.

Are you easily distracted Steve?, I doubt you'd be distracted enough to 'accidentally' vote 'FOR' during a recorded vote in the chamber?  This isn't a distraction, it's a warm-up fringe event which will help us hold the first of many Conservative Councillors to account for their actions if, or as seems quite possible when, carers and relatives can't get an answer to telephones and doorbells.....


As far as I am concerned all councillors have their vote on this matter written into public record. Surely that is the end of the matter?

I'm surprised Steve. Two weeks ago you berated Councillors Mallinson & Edwards for making contradictory statements and demanded that they tell Council the truth.  Here you seem to be urging that we, the electorate, don't examine Cllr Childs contradictory statements & actions on the sole basis that her vote has been recorded and is a matter of public record.

The 'End of the matter' will come if Mavis decides to set the record straight and/or when the public lose interest in her.  Cllr Childs is more likely to resign than cough to the awful truth so I think this has a little way to go yet.

I remember when I was told by more than one Borough Councillor: 


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"You'll never keep the public interested in scrutinising the Wifi deal, it will be dead by the May elections".


Well, wifi appears to be dead but the scrutiny continues more than 12 months later.  I bet Mavis hopes that scrutiny of her is over before the first pensioner or vulnerable person dies as a result of the Conservative Councillors cuts in Swindon. 




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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2010, 01:08:07 pm »
 
Tomorrow I will quote exactly what he said, word-for-word.

Mavis can breath a short sigh of relief, 105.5 FM's online schedule for today is wrong again, instead of listening to a repeat of yesterdays Community Talkback show, (as promised in todays schedule, listeners are currently being treated to a thrilling interview with the president of Swindons Bonsai society  ;D

Community radio. Gotta love it....

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2010, 01:17:21 pm »
I am a little confused. In this thread Cllr W says:

As far as I am concerned all councillors have their vote on this matter written into public record. Surely that is the end of the matter?

But in another syas:

I am sure no councillor would want to see any human being, waiting to use the loo, for up to 90mins as that in my opinion is undignified and unreasonable in the 21st Century.

Surely this is why we are interested in the way Councilor Childs voted, [for the budget & cuts], yet says she didn't vote for the budget and cuts?

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2010, 01:19:48 pm »
Here Here Terminatrix!

Any councillor who is unable to keep up with the proceedings to the extent that she doesn't know what she voted for shouls resign immediately.

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2010, 01:31:01 pm »

T is right, although I still think cllr Childs knew exactly what she was doing, and why she was doing it.

What I want to know is how and why she voted exactly the opposite way to the way she had been telling people she would.

She sat through the conservative group meetings, had read the budget papers and reports, could speak cogently and at length about the budget, yet was apparently struck by a last minute fit of incompetance when the vote was taken?

This is a councillor with over a decade of experience. She has chaired committes and was once the cabinet member for housing.  She is not an idiot so the 'deary me, I'm a bit old and doddery' act isn't realling fooling anyone except those who want to be fooled because that is easier than being critical or even a critical friend.

No, Mavis's actions and current explanations for them are not credible.

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2010, 01:55:14 pm »
Could be a case of Cameronpox, saying one thing then doing another.
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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2010, 05:19:44 pm »
No confusion Term, and Geoff not changing my view, it was a question, maybe another question is
Has Cllr Mavis Childs been offered anything an incentive to vote the way she did?

I do not understand why Cllr Childs is being so quiet on this matter??  :coffee:

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2010, 07:11:51 am »
No confusion Term, and Geoff not changing my view, it was a question, maybe another question is
Has Cllr Mavis Childs been offered anything an incentive to vote the way she did?

I do not understand why Cllr Childs is being so quiet on this matter??  :coffee:

Well, it's been another busy night at Castle Euclid with several private networks buzzing away furiously throughout the night.  Swindons lamplighters network has been quietly shadowing some of them.

What have we learned overnight?:

1. Swindon Conservatives are absolutely denying that Cllr Childs was induced to vote FOR the re-cast budget by being offered the Mayorship.  An odd denial because we haven't asked about the mayorship.

2. Many other back-bench Conservatives are as interested in this as we are. 

3. Mavis is still using her network to desperately probe what we know and continue transmitting the 'I'm just a dumb councillor' message.

4. Looks increasingly like Mavis is now working with Councillor Mallinson, (previously her mortal political foe).

5. Mavis is finding it is actually getting harder, not easier, to disassociate herself from her 'FOR' the budget vote as the efffects of that budget march ever closer.

Still waiting Mavis....

..and whilst we wait, let's reflect on this:


Quote from: Cllr Steve Wakefield
"There is some confusion in Swindon about the recent vote on making nearly £6 million pounds of cuts to the council’s recast budget.  I have been discussing this with members of the public who cannot fathom what is actually going on in Swindon.

All this discussion is about the subject of which way councillors voted in the debate is on the public record. The papers to the council, (From Cabinet, via scrutiny) clearly state that, the vote was for or against minute 3.  Anything else is mere conjecture."

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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2010, 09:16:28 am »
It's funny that some should think that being Mayor is a carrot worth dangling - maybe that is their ambition rather than Mavis's. i.e. that's what they would do it for.

I think, and this feeling is endorsed by that closer-ness to Cllr Mallinson, that Mavis could be swayed by a promise to get Sussex Square redevelopment brought forward.  Mavis is very keen that a proper redevelopment should take place rather than yet another refurbishment (new coat of paint etc.) 
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Re: Budget Denial: A Political St. Peter Syndrome ?
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2010, 10:04:11 am »

I think, and this feeling is endorsed by that closer-ness to Cllr Mallinson, that Mavis could be swayed by a promise to get Sussex Square redevelopment brought forward.  Mavis is very keen that a proper redevelopment should take place rather than yet another refurbishment (new coat of paint etc.)

Are you saying that Mavis voted for the budget, (thereby endorsing the £6 million of cuts to Adult services that Councillor Mallinson intends to inflict this year), because she is 'keen that a proper development' takes place is Sussex Square?

Are bricks and mortar and a shiny 'Opened by Councillor Mavis Childs' brass plate more important to her than blood, bone & brain?

And why are 3rd parties delivering Mavis's messages again?


 

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