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Offline Geoff Reid

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Funny how things turn out....
« on: September 20, 2010, 01:29:38 pm »


This flyer was distributed in many Swindon wards in the run up to the 2007 local elections.

At the time I criticised the Labour group for it.

With the benefit of hindsight it looks like they were probably right and I was wrong.


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Re: Funny how things turn out....
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 03:23:19 pm »
It is so interesting when you look back and in my case actively support the lead member for adult services who was responsible for the defeat of Neil Heavens in Walcot.

He is up for election next May and it makes me wonder what effect the Upham Road Community Centre will have on his chances of being re elected this time as his majority was a slim 43 votes and until the postals were counted Neil was elected!!

Mind you with the rumours of female only shortlists there seems to be a dearth of talent to stand against him.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 03:41:30 pm »
If he still lives in west Swindon, why doesnt he seek election there?.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 03:57:26 pm »
I expect for the same reasons as Bluh, Perkins, Mrs Heenan etc.
All parties are at it and running for safe seats. It happens nationally as well.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 08:17:02 pm »
If he still lives in west Swindon, why doesnt he seek election there?.

You may well ask Kohima but Walcot must surely represent the Tories most vulnerable seat?

Is his current work on Cabinet and the fact that allegedly Walcot Library is now only open three days a week for lack of volunteers and when open five was down to lending 200 books a month ie 10 a day might herald his final hurrah?

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 08:37:07 pm »
Funny old game politics so not surprised by anything that happens in Swindon. Live long enough and you will see it all at least 2 or 3 times over the years.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 09:42:02 pm »
Iwould ask him if there are any playing fields left, after the rout by labour in the past. Can he explain the bit about council tax going up by 20% in 2007, Labour tells us that crime and anit social behaviour is going down and have the records to show it, so again explain that one please. When they shut the library in Gorse hill, all the labour councillors came out and did their bit for the site, none of them were actually members of the library or had even taken out books in the past few weeks, just a show of hands to show they cared !!if the demand is not there, why spend money on the facilities.  Last but not least, can he explain how much revenue was coming in from the Brunel Centre, before Labour sold it off....... by the way, the community Centre at Gorse hill, where the library was, is now on a better financial state as they get more for the room in rent than they ever got from the council or the fact that they never got paid for the cleaning..

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 09:47:42 am »
I believe that building on any bit of inner town green, instead of just brownfield site was in fact started under the Tory's and labour brought it laws to stop it and protect playing fields.

Local councillors do not have to belong to a Library. They represent those who do.  A community centre is not just about making money - so long as there is enough to pay the bills of course.  It's about providing a service for the community - if the Library space is now hired to something that does not benefit the community then the loss of the library is not justified. 

A library is a valuable asset to any community and not just about books, one maybe that cannot have a price on it's head.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 10:09:48 am »
When Swindon became a Unitary Authority Thatcher allowed Wilts. C.C. to keep their assets within our borough.
Drakes Way playing fields were sold and the new S.B.C. had to BUY BACK the site of the old Queensdown School.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 10:40:34 am »
playing fields under labour were going down at the rate of about one a week or less, and of course anything that goes on always comes back to the tories, why didnt labour stop the selling of playing fields altogether, I could mention all the playing fields that were sold off or had permission given to build on but have mentionede them in the past, so reread that one, ask Mr Montaut how he feels about school playing fields, I agree librarys are a good thing for the public, but as I said if the need is not required why pay to keep them open,
I see nobody mention that those councillors in the main who got the dont shut the library in motion, dont even live in Gorsehill, so why not keep to your own area and look after that..or does the political agenda mean that you have to put your oar in, not matter where..
I see Gordon Brown is in either the states or Canada on a meeting with world leaders, hasnt somebody told him he lost and should be back home looking after his own constituents!!!!, not to mention the pay he gets for the job..

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 11:11:17 am »
I see Gordon Brown is in either the states or Canada on a meeting with world leaders, hasnt somebody told him he lost and should be back home looking after his own constituents!!!!, not to mention the pay he gets for the job..
Kind of suggest that his standing and respect as a statesman, and international gratitude at his world leadership in stopping a global recession becoming global depression is still looked upon quite highly and that they would rather talk to him than the current leadership.

Kohima, why are you making says these things? I did not like the guy when he was PM. Did a cracking job in No 11 though.

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 01:55:43 pm »
Could we see the County Ground and all the land around it sold off?

Also, does anyone know who owned the land that the mega B&Q distrbution centre is being built on? I always fancied that would be ideal for a new speedway stadium.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 09:04:34 pm »
Chris, he sold off nearly 400 tons of gold at a rate of about £275 an ounce, if you go out today you can get about £1200 an ounce, and if you read the hansard report from the House of Lords, the total amount he lost is over 6 billion pounds and more  was lost then, even on black Wednesday..... some chancellor, not to mention the 10p fiasco !!!.
or the pension stitch up that lost people their final salary pensions... he gave 800 million in aid to India, the following week they sent a rocket to the moon......  I wouldnt let him run the office tea fund..

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2010, 10:01:56 pm »
Chris, he sold off nearly 400 tons of gold at a rate of about £275 an ounce, if you go out today you can get about £1200 an ounce, and if you read the hansard report from the House of Lords, the total amount he lost is over 6 billion pounds and more  was lost then, even on black Wednesday..... some chancellor, not to mention the 10p fiasco !!!.
or the pension stitch up that lost people their final salary pensions... he gave 800 million in aid to India, the following week they sent a rocket to the moon......  I wouldnt let him run the office tea fund..



£6Bn is how much poor old John Major lost when he was caught like a rabbit in the headlights and did not have the required cohonage to take us out of the ERM on his Black Wednesday. Apparently Tebbit (or was it Lawson, might have been Lamont) threaten him with physical violence and had him pinned up against the wall by his lapels. Of course, £6Bn was considerably more in 1990 taking inflation into account. Cost him the election. :'(

That is probably why its best not to let any one politician have the final say in these sort of decisions whatever colour their rosette.  ::)

Look back in history and you will find these momentous cock-ups by politicos of all description. I am sure Osbourne is waiting in the wings to add himself to this illustrious list in the style of a Micheal Goves.  :popcorn:







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Re: Funny how things turn out....
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 08:18:32 pm »
That is probably why its best not to let any one politician have the final say in these sort of decisions whatever colour their rosette.

Nearly right, I would go with 'it is probably best not to let any politician have the final say in any decision because it will be coloured by their rosette.'

Anyway, whilst we can all agree that political types can behave with a quite stunning level of ineptitude in almost any situation, and that fiscal issues rank very high at the moment, it is an indisputable fact that every Labour Government leaves our finances in a parlous state. It is also a matter of fact that the most recent Labour Government set the bar for fiscal failue jaw droppingly high, a favourite of mine is IT, Here is an article from eweekeurope.

One of the most noteworthy computer failures under Labour has been its £12.7 billion National Programme for IT project (NPfIT) for the NHS. The Independent found that just 160 health organisations out of about 9,000 are using electronic patient records delivered under the scheme.

Other costly IT blunders under Labour include:

The £7.1 billion Defence Information Infrastructure (DII) project, which was designed to replace hundreds of different computer systems within the MoD with a single system that would be used by the army, navy and air force, as well as the MoD itself. This project is running more than £180 million over budget and is 18 months late.
The £5 billion National Identity Scheme which was originally budgeted at £3 billion but costs have risen as opposition continues. The scheme now looks to be a dead duck after the Tories pledged to scrap it, and last July the Government said the ID cards would no longer be compulsory.
The £400 million Libra system (for magistrates’ courts). Fujitsu bid £146 million in 1998 to deliver the Libra system, but complications meant that costs have now risen to more than £400 million.
The £350 million Single Payment Scheme system (SPS) to give farmers their subsidies. However failures with the system meant farmers were left short-changed and the Public Accounts Committee warned last year that it was already “at risk of becoming obsolete”.
The GCHQ “box move” of technology was initially costed at £41 million, but costs have now spiralled to more than £300 million.
Costs for the National Offender Management Information System (C-Nomis) doubled to more than £600 million and it was abandoned in 2007, with £155 million already spent. The Public Accounts Committee described it as “a shambles” and a “prime example of how not to develop a project”.
The Government has quietly abandoned its Benefit Processing Replacement Programme, but only after spending £106 million on it.
The Prism IT project to link 200 offices of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) around the world initially cost £54 million, but delays meant that costs have ballooned to £88.5 million.
The Shared Services Centre at the Department for Transport to integrate the human resources and financial services now costs £81 million, a failure in management that the Public Accounts Committee described as a display of “stupendous incompetence”.


We could play failure ping pong for days but I think the outcome will be inevitable. Most irritating aspect for me  is the frank and heartfelt confessions from high ranking politicians that they 'Knew Gordon was feckin bonkers and running the country into the feckin ground' and 'That Tone was a lying scrote' yet they did sweet sod all at the time in case they fell from failure.

There's your fundamental problem, they will neither take up the sword on your behalf, nor fall on it.
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Re: Funny how things turn out....
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 06:27:26 am »
This one makes me incredibly angry,too:

Unused fire-control centres costing £1,500 an hour

Nine new buildings stand empty amid delays and fears of fire hazards


The future of a controversial £400m project to create a network of regional 999 fire-control centres was in jeopardy last night after the Government refused to put any more public money into the scheme.


Dogged by delays, cost overruns and technical failures, the project, inherited from Labour, has left nine new buildings standing empty. They may not become fully operational until 2013, four years after the original deadline – and every hour overdue is costing the taxpayer £1,500.

Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for Communities, criticised the IT consultant EADS for its part in the "mess". He claimed the technical support system to run the centres had overheated in tests, creating a potential fire hazard. The company has denied the allegation.

It has also emerged that a satnav system designed to get fire crews to incidents fails to recognise problems particular to fire engines. "This is a practical problem. Where there are low bridges we do not want them to go through and find they are missing their ladders," Mr Pickles said.

The mapping programme also currently only recognises a select number of UK locations.

Mr Pickles accused EADS of not taking the matter seriously, adding: "We have no intention of rolling over and having our tummy tickled on this. We expect them to deliver their contract."

Earlier this year a parliamentary select committee slated the FiReControl project, calling it the culmination of "poor judgement and mismanagement". The aim was to replace 46 existing emergency control centres with nine "super-hubs", with new technology used to prioritise calls and make better use of equipment.

MPs said the new centres were often too large and in some cases needlessly expensive – one, in London, had been equipped with a £25,000 coffee machine. They found the project was so badly run there had been a complete breakdown in communication between civil servants and EADS.

Civil servants were sent to the Newport headquarters of EADS in an attempt to salvage the scheme, but sources claim they have been ostracised and forced to set up separate offices in a temporary building in the company car park.

Meanwhile, EADS insists it has simply fulfilled Whitehall's specification and remains "on track to provide the final system".

The scheme has been criticised by MPs and unions who fear safety will be jeopardised and millions of pounds squandered. FiReControl is now being reviewed to ensure value for money for the taxpayer. "We are not going to bail out this contract," said Bob Neill, the fire service minister.

The Fire Brigades Union said money was being "thrown down the drain" and the project was "dead".
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