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[John Robertson in the Chair] - Football Clubs (Governance) | Westminster Hall debates
8 September 2010, 12:39 pm

I congratulate the hon. Member for Liverpool, Walton (Steve Rotheram) on securing the debate. We have all enjoyed having lots of football-related e-mails, which makes a pleasant change from some of the casework that is sent to us.

I will be brief because I am conscious that a lot of other people want to speak. Many Members have made excellent points, but I want to touch briefly on three issues. The priority has to be to tighten up the "fit and proper" test. We have seen with Manchester United, Liverpool, Portsmouth, some of the previous owners at my local club, Swindon Town, and huge swathes of non-league football clubs, unsuitable individuals rip out the heart of the community and decimate something that is so important to many people.

I fully support the need for fan representation on clubs. I am interested in the idea of fan representation being built into any future takeover. Working with the Swindon Town supporters' trust in previous years, I pushed hard to get fans included for two reasons: first, so that the club would be open and transparent, and, secondly, because surely it makes commercial sense and is a good thing for football clubs to be connected to their supporters-their customers, the people who are digging deep to fund ever-growing transfer fees. Actually, at non-league level, Swindon Supermarine, the other club in Swindon, faced dropping down two divisions this season unless it found £40,000. The fans got together-many hands make light work-and I am delighted that the club is still in the same division and competing well.

My final point, which I shall make quickly, is that there must be reality checks in the system. As was mentioned earlier, not all individuals who invest in clubs are terrible people. A good example was Jack Walker at Blackburn Rovers. Not only did he invest in the club that he supported from his youth-my mother remembers standing next to him on the terraces-but the trust is still putting some £3 million into protecting the club. That is an example of looking after fans in the community, and is a bit of a reality check. For all the bad individuals, there are many good individuals-it is a matter of getting the right balance.

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[John Robertson in the Chair] - Football Clubs (Governance) | Westminster Hall debates
8 September 2010, 12:39 pm
We have seen with Manchester United, Liverpool, Portsmouth, some of the previous owners at my local club, Swindon Town, and huge swathes of non-league football clubs, unsuitable individuals rip out the heart of the community and decimate something that is so important to many people.
That's quite a bold statement.

Is he suggesting that the Glazer's are "unsuitable individuals" and we are seeing them "rip out the heart of the community" and "decimate" Manchester United? Or he is referring to someone else?

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How about raising some issues of importanmce to your constituents, rather than this interest pet project, or is being an MP and fighting for the public in your seat proving a little more difficult in these times of awkward and probing questions and equally unpopular answers.......

Perhaps rather than wasting time on the trivial stuff that no one really cares about if you haven't got a job, he should be fighting to keep public investment in Swindon job creation.

All this s**** about football governance is unnecessary and irrelevant, how about some questions related to how national governance is looking at Swindon and the people he is supposed to represent.

I do beleive his pre-election promise was to fight to keep doing just this for Swindon.

Haven't seen much of that so far, just questions about football and the fact he's mentioned STFC twice in parliament doesn't quite come up to expectation

Football doesn't matter, not in the light of people being made redundant, house repossessions and looming poverty issues.. pull your finger out and get doing what you promised to do in May in for f**** sake
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Is he suggesting that the Glazer's are "unsuitable individuals" and we are seeing them "rip out the heart of the community" and "decimate" Manchester United? Or he is referring to someone else?

He could actually be talking about Michael Knighton or whatever his name was - there didn't seem to all be right there either iirc.  That said, Justin can afford to make bold statements as he enjoys parliamentary privelege so the rules governing slander are not as forefront in the mind as they might be for others.

Teaboy - whilst I understand your points, Justin has done a lot of work with the supporters trust and I am glad that he hasn't lost that focus.  There are a lot of people to whom football means a lot - even in Swindon without the glamour of a Premiership club so isn't it right that he takes an opportunity to fight for them as well? 

Note "as well" not "instead of" - like everyone else, I am waiting to see Justin's question raised about Swindon's grant formula for funding.....

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[John Robertson in the Chair] - Football Clubs (Governance) | Westminster Hall debates
8 September 2010, 12:39 pm

I congratulate the hon. Member for Liverpool, Walton (Steve Rotheram) on securing the debate. We have all enjoyed having lots of football-related e-mails, which makes a pleasant change from some of the casework that is sent to us.

I will be brief because I am conscious that a lot of other people want to speak. Many Members have made excellent points, but I want to touch briefly on three issues. The priority has to be to tighten up the "fit and proper" test. We have seen with Manchester United, Liverpool, Portsmouth, some of the previous owners at my local club, Swindon Town, and huge swathes of non-league football clubs, unsuitable individuals rip out the heart of the community and decimate something that is so important to many people.

I fully support the need for fan representation on clubs. I am interested in the idea of fan representation being built into any future takeover. Working with the Swindon Town supporters' trust in previous years, I pushed hard to get fans included for two reasons: first, so that the club would be open and transparent, and, secondly, because surely it makes commercial sense and is a good thing for football clubs to be connected to their supporters-their customers, the people who are digging deep to fund ever-growing transfer fees. Actually, at non-league level, Swindon Supermarine, the other club in Swindon, faced dropping down two divisions this season unless it found £40,000. The fans got together-many hands make light work-and I am delighted that the club is still in the same division and competing well.

My final point, which I shall make quickly, is that there must be reality checks in the system. As was mentioned earlier, not all individuals who invest in clubs are terrible people. A good example was Jack Walker at Blackburn Rovers. Not only did he invest in the club that he supported from his youth-my mother remembers standing next to him on the terraces-but the trust is still putting some £3 million into protecting the club. That is an example of looking after fans in the community, and is a bit of a reality check. For all the bad individuals, there are many good individuals-it is a matter of getting the right balance.

Source: Justin Tomlinson's recent appearances (TheyWorkForYou)


wasting swindon taxpayers money and time. . I mean seriously Tomlinson when are you going to actually "do" something, pull your tongue out , like your supposed to be doing rather then wasting peoples time.
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[John Robertson in the Chair] - Football Clubs (Governance) | Westminster Hall debates
8 September 2010, 12:39 pm

We have seen with Manchester United, Liverpool, Portsmouth, some of the previous owners at my local club, Swindon Town, and huge swathes of non-league football clubs, unsuitable individuals rip out the heart of the community and decimate something that is so important to many people.


Am I being dense, or has Justin just severely disrespected -in Hansard - a hallowed member of the Swindon business community and accused him of being an unsuitable individual that has, in the past, participated in ripping the heart out of our community? ???


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We read, today that the boss of Iikston Town,who were in the Blue Square north league, and has apeared on the I'm a Millionaire  tv programme and gave away money to those in need on the programme, has now pulled out from the club and its financial support, and the club was wound up by the high court yesterday, £47,000 in debt, so that town now has now club to support, Croydon, in what ever league they are in, we are told by the papers also, was used by the agent who was taking bets on the Pakistan cricket team, to launder money from his ill gains, so you see however you want to look at it, and say what you want, this plundering of clubs does go on, just look at the debts of Liverpool and Manchester United, and of Course Swindon, not so long ago, was in danger of going overboard, you may disagree with what Justin says, but to revert to name calling is also pretty low......

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I've supported Swindon Town since my dad first took me when I was 10, I was handed over the stiles in the Town End, walked around to the stratton bank (before crowd control barriers) to watch us play Wimbledon FC. It was a cold wet tuesday night, it was a boring 1 all draw if I remembe...... but I was hooked!

Later i was one of 1000 watching us play in the fourth division (our lowest ever attendance), there was about 200 people in the town end that day

I was in the crowd outside the arkells stand demanding Maccari be reinstated, i've climbed the town end fences, fallen off twice (badly limped for weeks after) at the end of season pitch invasion. I've followed ossie and hoddle to wembley. chanted at roger malone (remember him), thrown celery at shapter (bastard swindon hating ref) and watched Swindon v's bolton league cup ties, 245 minutes without a goal! hell , i was in the bog at bolton's old ground when the winner went in.

I've seen grown men fainting from excitment at st andrews park when we kicked Brun City's arse 6-4 and seen the towns 10-0 beating by Arsenal.

Countless playoffs, and relegation battles, as soon as i could drive i followed STFC home and away, cup and league

I travelled as far as norwich, newcastle, carlisle, wrexam, plymouth and have been on a couple of preseason freindly visits to spain and holland.

In 1992 myself and 4 mates joined the 92 club by visiting all 92 league club grounds

I've been chased down alleys by pompey, millwall, ambushed by oxford and bristol fans. I had two coppers tear a bristol scrote off me and throw him through a chip shop window. we won 4-1 so that was okay!

The only reason I stopped going regularly was I got myself involved with a woman (hello miss Tea :angel:) and a mortgage  :(, in that order.

However..........

Football is Just a game, nothing else, it is not important, despite what some 'has been' manager once said.

Its a game where players are paid too much, and are made out to be heroic, but ultimately disapoint thier fans. Heroes my arse, soldiers serving us on foriegn shores are heroes, some blokes whose dubious ability to play a ball game don't deserve that honor.

Its a game where success is not earned , but bought, where how much lager your face can sell is more important than how you play, where the mighty £ rules and loyalty means nothing. With the fans being ripped off at every turn.

Sport nowadays is just a distraction so that people of a certain background don't realise how bad off they are. Its manipulated by the media to be more than it actually is. One only has to look at the shower of s*** we have as a national side to realise that.

So it annoys the f*** out of me when i see what is important, family life, money, jobs, being ignored while it is glorified, and I do not feel at all unjustifiied in asking my MP to be a little more focused on the difficult serious issues that really matter rather than this trivial nonsense. 
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Perhaps a more useful question that Justin could ask is "Did Waynne Rooney pay V.A.T. for his bunk up?"
£1500 for one night, Christ he could have spent a week down BroadGreen and still had some change!
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Am I being dense, or has Justin just severely disrespected -in Hansard - a hallowed member of the Swindon business community and accused him of being an unsuitable individual that has, in the past, participated in ripping the heart out of our community?

I  assumed he was including Rikki Hunt in his statement.

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Perhaps a more useful question that Justin could ask is "Did Waynne Rooney pay V.A.T. for his bunk up?"
£1500 for one night, Christ he could have spent a week down BroadGreen and still had some change!
And does his professional friend pay income tax on her earnings?

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Am I being dense, or has Justin just severely disrespected -in Hansard - a hallowed member of the Swindon business community and accused him of being an unsuitable individual that has, in the past, participated in ripping the heart out of our community?

I  assumed he was including Rikki Hunt in his statement.

Could make for a few awkard silences, next time he's at the Lodge...
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Is JT on the level then?

I suppose everyone needs a printer now and again :)

 

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