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Offline Trollee

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locality dreams
« on: July 23, 2010, 02:14:01 pm »
locality dreams

there are lots of dreams and visions from little boy bluh  it sounds as if the new pinehurst peoples center is now going to be a locality office but west swindon library will be carved up to deliver interview and office space  where will park and walcot locality office be situated anyone know  ps will centrals be in the railway village

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2010, 03:49:22 pm »
locality dreams

there are lots of dreams and visions from little boy bluh  it sounds as if the new pinehurst peoples center is now going to be a locality office but west swindon library will be carved up to deliver interview and office space  where will park and walcot locality office be situated anyone know  ps will centrals be in the railway village


Sorry Trollee you’ve got it a bit wrong here.

There are plans for 4 locality team centres in the Swindon area for which the council has had the money, some £2.6 million, since last summer.

This money now also appears in doubt if you read the comment added by Cllr Harrison under the article about the Play Areas
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8285240.Play_area_revamp__hits_the_buffers/

These were also some debated at the 9th June meeting of cabinet agenda item 13 in which he also stress the need to get these funds firmly committed.

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=285&MId=4275&Ver=4&J=6

To correct any misunderstanding.

The teams are multi agency and consist of staff from
·   Health Visitors
·   School Nurses
·   Education Welfare Officers
·   Community Paediatricians
·   Educational Psychologists
·   Speech & Language Therapists
·   Youth Workers
·   Play Workers
·   Primary Behaviour Support Team
·   Connexions Personal Advisors
·   Primary Mental Health Link Workers
·   Administrative Staff
·   Contraceptive and Sexual Health Team
http://www.swindon.gov.uk/socialcare/cypsp/social-cypsp-intergratedlocalityteams.htm

In short, all the necessary teams working together in a relevant area for the communities they serve. Not a Bluh idea at all something from the former government mainly funded by a £2.68m grant from the Department for Children, Schools and Families.

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 09:33:20 pm »
Yes Boggy but where are they to be situated?

There is word in Shaw that one is going into West Swindon Library and it will lose half its floor space.  Can anyone confirm if this is true please?

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 12:01:15 am »
Freshbrook community bods certainly think their library is going to squashed before before forced into a 'managed' decline.

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 01:49:38 am »
Well given how long they have had the money they certainly have had time to consult with ward councillors and residents about their locations.

I wasn't saying in my earlier post that HOW the council was doing it was right, just that the principle of these locality centres is right, bringing the services together and in the same place. That's something I hope most TS'er will agree on once they know what the centres are really about.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 09:54:28 am »
Freshbrook community bods certainly think their library is going to squashed before before forced into a 'managed' decline.


But Geoff Fionuola Foley said there would be no cuts on her watch.

Does this mean your information is incorrect or that Fionuola's resignation is imminent?

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 11:14:53 am »
No it means that her Timex now has a non-scratch face!
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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 03:36:49 pm »
What the bloody hell is a :

·   Health Visitors

Got that, but surely if you go to them they are 'Health Visted'.

·   School Nurses

Not if they are not in a school surely, and what's the difference between one of them and a Health Visitor.

·   Education Welfare Officers

Nope, don't really get that one.

·   Community Paediatricians

Something to do with feet?

·   Educational Psychologists

Magnificent.

·   Speech & Language Therapists

Wossat? I get speech therapist, what's a Language therapist?


·   Youth Workers

Child labour?

·   Play Workers

I am obviously missing something here.

·   Primary Behaviour Support Team

Nope, not a clue.

·   Connexions Personal Advisors

Is this one the red herring

·   Primary Mental Health Link Workers

Are there secondary ones as well?

·   Administrative Staff

Obviously.

·   Contraceptive and Sexual Health Team

Ah, understanding contraceptive, though if you are in receipt of the services of the above professionals it's probably academic. Sexual Health, I wonder what the gym membership fees are?

Am I heartless or are some of these a bit, well, specialised to the point of indulgence with just a smidgeon of overlap?

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 09:24:52 pm »
Don't some of these facilitators operate out of The Platform aka Rod Bluh's Porch?

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 09:08:42 am »
Presently the locality offices at West Swindon library are being mentioned. I predict it will not happen.
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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 09:30:48 am »
Presently the locality offices at West Swindon library are being mentioned. I predict it will not happen.

I wish I could be so confident but what makes you think it will not happen then Steve?  As Councillors have had nothing to say on this subject was this then a false rumour?  Not according to my information but then what do I know?

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2010, 10:18:28 am »
Presently the locality offices at West Swindon library are being mentioned. I predict it will not happen.

I wish I could be so confident but what makes you think it will not happen then Steve?  As Councillors have had nothing to say on this subject was this then a false rumour?  Not according to my information but then what do I know?

Greatest of respect Richard but suggest you read what’s already been posted on this matter.

Quote from: Bogomil link=topic=6135.msg40637#msg40637

This money now also appears in doubt if you read the comment added by Cllr Harrison under the article about the Play Areas
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8285240.Play_area_revamp__hits_the_buffers/

These were also some debated at the 9th June meeting of cabinet agenda item 13 in which he also stress the need to get these funds firmly committed.

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=285&MId=4275&Ver=4&J=6

and if you care to look further Cllr Harrison also mentions this on his facebook group Andy’s Focus Forum. You’ll see since June he has regularly brought up the issue of the locality centers at various council meetings.

So at least one of my councillors is on the ball regarding the Locality Centres

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 05:50:00 pm »
To answer your questions Mart LOL - although I am sure you already know !  ;)

·   Health Visitors

Got that, but surely if you go to them they are 'Health Visted'.  - Yes ! - they work with the 0 - 5's I believe

·   School Nurses

Not if they are not in a school surely, and what's the difference between one of them and a Health Visitor.- when children start school they no longer have a Health Visitor - schools generally have a ''School Nurse'' assigned to them. Some schools who have pupils and students who have very complex needs - e.g special schools, do have a school nurse who is onsite for an allocated number of hours per week - they are responsible for writing care plans and training staff who work with these children in competencies ranging from administration of medication, to using nebulisers, suction machines , Epilepsy rescue medication, epipens (for anaphylaxis) , enteral feeding , gastostomy fed children, and infection control. They are also community nurses and work with the parents (not like your average nit nurse of years gone by  ;)

·   Education Welfare Officers

Nope, don't really get that one. - EWOs as they are commonly known - they visit families who have children whose attendance at school is poor - they work with the family, child and school

·   Community Paediatricians

Something to do with feet? -Doctors whose specialism is children. They often do medicals etc. 

·   Educational Psychologists

Magnificent. - The good old Ed Psyc - children/young people are usually referred to the Ed Psyc if there are problems in school - ranging from development to behavioural - the Ed Psyc will assess the child and then compile a report such as a statement of educational needs .

·   Speech & Language Therapists

Wossat? I get speech therapist, what's a Language therapist? - SLTs - these are great, they not only deliver and advise on speech therapy sessions, they also cover communication as a whole (language) - some children are non-verbal and therefore they may need other means of communication. Also the SLTs look at eating and drinking and positioning. anything oral is SLT. There are some children who have problems with eating and drinking - for example a child with autism (ASD) may store food in their mouth or spit it out because they do not like the texture or they may have a sensory impairment and not know its there and the SLTs have programmes such as oral awareness programmes that involve training school staff and parents in massaging the childs face in order to desensitise  the mouth and gums to encourage them to eat and swallow

·   Youth Workers - People who work with young adults - usually kids who may have issues and need support

Child labour?

·   Play Workers

I am obviously missing something here. - - People who run activity sessions for kids

·   Primary Behaviour Support Team

Nope, not a clue. - A team of specialist who support children with behaviour difficulties in Primary school

·   Connexions Personal Advisors

Is this one the red herring - Connexions advisers work with 14 - 19 (could be up to 25 year olds pending on circumstances) their role is to help young people with 'transition'  - this could be transition from school into college /a residential placement or work

·   Primary Mental Health Link Workers

Are there secondary ones as well?

·   Administrative Staff

Obviously.

·   Contraceptive and Sexual Health Team -  they dish out the jonny's when you need them!  ;D no, they work with young people and give advice re: contraception and STDs (the clap), the workers are very good  ;) 

Well there you go Mart - is there anything else you would like to be educated on  :2funny: ............. apart from putting ya bins out !!!   ;)

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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2010, 05:59:53 pm »
Why are there so many children with so many problems?

There is a specialist for every potential problem so why haven't they been eradicated? (the problems not the specialists)

I am going to sound heartless here, and I promise not to embark on my climbing trees and eating dirt never done me no 'arm speech (except I just did) but it almost seems that the specialists are like farmers nurturing a crop.

Do you think we would be kinder if we analysed less and cared more?
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2010, 09:15:01 pm »
Why are there so many children with so many problems?

There is a specialist for every potential problem so why haven't they been eradicated? (the problems not the specialists)

I am going to sound heartless here, and I promise not to embark on my climbing trees and eating dirt never done me no 'arm speech (except I just did) but it almost seems that the specialists are like farmers nurturing a crop.

Do you think we would be kinder if we analysed less and cared more?

I too climbed trees, waded through streams and ponds with shopping trolleys and rubbish in them.
I also spent a lot of time outdoors as a kid  ;)

I think years ago , we were less susceptible to illness as we did go out and play in the fresh air in all weathers.
We hardly had any of the Anti-social behaviour that goes on now , as back then as kids, you had to go out and entertain and amuse yourselves which meant playing rounders/footie/cricket/building dens etc so you got along with one another.
You may have had the odd punch up but then it was all over as soon as it started and you were mates agian 5 minutes later.

I am making myself sound old now ...... but with the things I have mentioned above - Kids did not only make dens and play rounders etc - in fact they were educating themselves , and team building.

It is so easy for kids today (and adults) to live in cyber world - technology is advancing all the time etc which is good in some ways, but not in others.

I watched a programme on TV the other day and it was about a dad who's kids didn't want for anything ! what ever they wanted , they got !
Anyway , the dad wanted them to spend a week or two living as he did growing up in the 70's .
It was great. They had no games consoles, the TV got replaced with an old black and white one, the washing machine replaced with a mangle and a spinner and they had to earn pocket money and also had to eat what the dad had to eat in the 70's.

He had them up at 4.30 in the morning to go potato picking in the fields to earn money, and they had to eat porridge for breakfast.

Oh they winged and moaned and they had to to chores around the house - it was great and after a few days they started to be more respectful towards their parents and It certainly was a huge learning curve for both the kids and their parents.

Yes you are right Mart - there are lots of specialists for this that and the other these days - However, with the current climate and the cuts etc, I don't think we will be seeing as many specialists as we used to.
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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2010, 03:54:16 pm »
These locality teams - they were being called multi agency teams until recently.  There was a to do about getting the govenrment funding spent, even before the recent clawback stuff.    I have always thought that a lot of money would be spent putting the locality teams out into their four clusters and felt that sooner rather than later they would be centralised again. It just makes more financial sense to have one building, one phone number one receptionist, one filer, one over all bod etc., etc.,

I can see the sense of there being a 'team' if the area they serve is small enough, it isn't, so why break up one team to make four?  So long as they are all doing theri job properly and from one place.

For some time our Locality team was to be based in the already empty old Uplands school site at Seven Fields, then there was a cluster meeting (a CPCP cluster this time - I hope you are following this plot)  at which the Penhill councillors were not present.  During their absence the Pinehurst Councillors said they didn't want it there, they wanted a NEW building on the circle with the new community centre - where 'everyone' could see it.  Well, as the Northern (locality team) cluster covers Abbey Meads, Penhill, Pinehurst etc., etc. wherever they put it would not be handy for all those areas it served, so it might as well have been central. 

Hardly sensible decision making and hardly considering all aspects either.   Frightening en'it. 
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Re: locality dreams
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2010, 08:33:52 pm »
For some time our Locality team was to be based in the already empty old Uplands school site at Seven Fields, then there was a cluster meeting (a CPCP cluster this time - I hope you are following this plot)  at which the Penhill councillors were not present.  During their absence the Pinehurst Councillors said they didn't want it there, they wanted a NEW building on the circle with the new community centre

And at the last Councillors cluster meeting (if you read what Andy posted on his blog) the matter was forced to a vote by the new councillor for Penhill ward, with all the Labour members (bar the Penhill one) voting to delay the project and build in on as part of the new Pinehurst Community Centre, even though they were warned of the dangers of the potential delays.

Problem is this extra delay is now likely to cost you all of the £2.6million Locality team budget and the benefits of what could have been provided for everyone in the north central cluster.

I’m surprised you support the idea of centralising the locality teams though Muggins.
You always used to fight to have services where they are needed, in the communities that they are supposed to be serving.

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2010, 08:43:55 am »
I would not be supporting the centralising of the locality teams if each team was in each area, but in effect they will still be centralised in one community, with the others missing out.  Also with the moving financial times, it won't be long before they are insupportable in their localities (I'm trying to say that they aren't actually going to be local to most of their cluster).   The circle at Pinehurst is hardly central to Penhill and Abbey Meads etc but then neither would it have been on Penhill or in Abbey Meads.  There is a one hour bus link between Penhill and Pinehurst and none to Abbey Meads from either place.  Must look up what the other areeas are in our Locality lcuster - can't remember at the moment but they are wide spread and different and larger to the CPCP cluster.

In other words, I strongly feel that they won't be sustainable and within a few years,  if they last that long, they will be centralised again - so save or spend the money more wisely, leave them where they are, ensure they work as locality teams within the bigger team, make sure everyone is on their toes to the effects of their actions on the most vunerable.  Hopefully in swindon they are, but they haven't been in other towns. May sure they are situated somewhere equidistant to all the communities they serve.

I certainly would love to have teams of workers in Penhill working in true partnership but that ain't going to happen in the present climate.
 
 
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