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Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« on: June 23, 2010, 08:39:24 pm »
One of the pre-election promises made by Justin Tomlinson was a committment to be open and transparent with his Parliamentary expenses.  Indeed, and in fairness to Justin he not only wrote to me but he also rang me to confirm this committment and to assure me that he would not seek to emulate the behaviour of members of the House, which as we know brought so many of them into contempt. 

I have asked Justin why his May expenses have not yet been published and i am glad to say he has responded very positively advising that at this stage within the Parliamentary year he has only submitted expenses for train travel, however this hasn’t been processed but I would imagine it would show up in next months reports.  Justin's office and staff costs will also come up as of now.
 
I was delighted that Justin confirmed that he

1. will not claim for food.

2. will not claim for any travel in Swindon, either taxi’s or petrol.

3. Justin is travelling super saver return to Westminster, at £39.80, well below the £110 allowed

4. Currently Justin is sharing a flat in London with 2 other MP’s which brings the cost down by approx £6k per year.

Justin has asked me to 'hold him' to these promises - and i will.  It's a good start and we all hope other Members might take a leaf out of his book

 


 


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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 09:26:45 pm »
Mrs Snelgrove would also agree to these conditions, but she cant at the moment as she has her foot stuck in the food trolley in asda... :2funny:

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 09:52:07 pm »
With the cuts in the budget and the rise in V.A.T. none of us will be able to afford to go to ASDA it will be Lidyl or Aldi.
One question. why can't you leave Anne Snelgrove alone. I find your remarks infantile and uncalled for.
How long will it be before you start some of your insidious remaks on J.T. and R.B.?
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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 06:56:28 pm »
I was never quite sure about Anne's expense profile - I wanted to believe her when she said she was as pure as the driven snow, but when she became evasive and suddenly declined to answer my questions on the basis that she wasn't my MP, I became a little less believing.  As for Michael Wills, I genuinely believe he was a good constituency MP and a fine minister. I am absolutely sure he didn't 'fiddle any expenses' and think he was remarkably forward looking in publishing his expenses long before anyone said MPs should do so.

Justin Tomlinson has taken the first few steps in his Parliamentary life very carefully indeed, for which credit should be given.  His attitude towards taxpayer money should be congratulated and admired - I for one think his enlightened attitude is like a breath of fresh air. I hope he doesn't get too 'hair shirted' as piety is a difficult act to beat.  Parliamentary allowances are there to be used properly, it would be shame if the standard of his work suffered in an attempt to act responsibly as far as spending taxpayer pounds was concerned.

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2010, 08:53:13 pm »
So you would agree with someone who gets paid around £70,000 and also asks the taxpayer to pay for her food bill as well,
she put herself on the pedistal and she fell off !!.
I find it infantile to keep on harking about vat when if Labour hadnt run this country to near bankrupt state, there would be no need for such a rise, anyway, just blame Mrs Thatcher she is the cause of everything else these days.....

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 10:04:34 pm »
One question. why can't you leave Anne Snelgrove alone.

Erm, cos she was voted in to represent the people of Swindon, instead she represented Westminster in Swindon. 99.99% of the time anyway. That would probably engender a bit of dislike when the Westminster she represented was possibly the most inept and rotten in recent times, though I have no doubt a challenger will be along directly.

I think it is very difficult, in modern times, to find politicians you feel affection for, loathing and mistrust are much more easily inspired and that is largely of their own doing.

I think Ms Snelgrove has had a relatively easy ride all things consideredm bit of a late rally on her part I will concede, but too little too late.

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 10:43:14 pm »
when if Labour hadnt run this country to near bankrupt state

I think you'll find that subject has been flogged to death here. The government which did that has been evicted from office, and I'm not sorry to see the back of them (although for different reasons).

We have a new government now, so I think we'd be better off focussing on the rights and wrongs of what the current government are up to.

I find it infantile to keep on harking about vat

VAT is not a progressive tax.

People like me who are lucky enough to have an income which is larger than their outgoings aren't hit too hard by VAT because we have some surplus income to squirrel away in savings or investments or pensions, none of which are subject to VAT.

But someone whose income only just covers their outgoings will find that a larger proportion of their income is subject to VAT than the income of a richer person, because they need to spend all of their income just to survive.

Increasing the rate of VAT will hit the poorest the hardest.

I have to wonder how many of the people who voted the way that the the speech bubbles on page 3 of the Sun told them to ("(paraphrase) The Labour government has been crap, the tories are so much better, look at the tits, look at the tits, don't look at the truth, look at the tits, look at the tits, vote tory") have been made worse off as a result, and how many of them are clever enough to realise this fact.
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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 10:49:43 pm »
For a good analysis of the regressiveness or not of VAT (and indeed the whole budget), Radio 4's "More or Less" broadcast last week is worth a listen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00ss4tf
Because many 'essential' items are zero rated for VAT, it's not as regressive as some would make out.
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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2010, 11:01:01 pm »
anyway, just blame Mrs Thatcher she is the cause of everything else these days.....

well said, i think i finally agree with something you've posted, she might have been out of office for years now, but we are definitely in the grip of thatcherism gone mad, unchecked by ConDems and labour Goverments alike.

After all it was her creedo of market forces and her goverment's deregulation of the banking sysytem that allowed bad debt to be traded as a comodity to make money from thin air.

Don't let us loose sight of the cause of the mess this country is in, while we look at the short term effects of mistakes made 30 years ago.
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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 11:11:49 pm »
anyway, just blame Mrs Thatcher she is the cause of everything else these days.....

well said, i think i finally agree with something you've posted, she might have been out of office for years now, but we are definitely in the grip of thatcherism gone mad, unchecked by ConDems and labour Goverments alike.

After all it was her creedo of market forces and her goverment's deregulation of the banking sysytem that allowed bad debt to be traded as a comodity to make money from thin air.

Don't let us loose sight of the cause of the mess this country is in, while we look at the short term effects of mistakes made 30 years ago.

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 10:43:09 am »
Justin has asked me to 'hold him' to these promises - and i will.  It's a good start and we all hope other Members might take a leaf out of his book

Have Justin & Robert published their constituency/election accounts/expenses for the past couple of years yet? 

I'm sure I remember (during the 2010 campaign period) hearing that their accounts were very, very overdue ?

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 05:40:04 pm »
Just a little side thought, does Mr tomlinson have to declare all funds raised by the William Pitt club? If yes, is there a public record of how these funds were used and are there any residual funds for disposal?
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2010, 09:09:30 pm »
after 13 years of labour rule, I dont think anybody can blame anybody welse for the mess we are in, didnt prudence put in the FSA to sort out bank problems and in the end, they did nothing, and I know its been flogged to death, but didnt Mrs Thatcher come to power, after another term of bankrupt mangement by Labour...

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 09:22:40 pm »
Every Labour government leaves the country financially worse off than when they found it. Fact.

Now, sometimes they may well have been the victims of a nasty ticking timebomb, but not every time. Basically they are crap at money, always have been, probably always will be unless they stop, well, being Labour I suppose.

The loathing I feel for the last Labour government is such that I may well choose to revisit it with the same monotonous regularity that people state 'It was Thatcher wot done it', I may carry on for feckin years.

Brown the Absent is my Thatcher.

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 10:21:48 pm »
Talking of money.....Tomlinson hasn't published his previous fiscal activities yet, something wrong? I friggin hope so......isn't Bluh doing what labour did with our money?..........wasted on silly little projects to make up for shortfalls? And for that matter, what on earth does Greenhalgh do at the council? Apart from playing the part of Bluhs terrier (aptly named 'betsy'). Anyway there's only one person of the tory tits that's seemingly value for money and that's buckland, who is knuckelling down and tomlinson who's dragging his knuckles. Food for Thought!
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 10:29:51 pm »
Now, sometimes they may well have been the victims of a nasty ticking timebomb, but not every time. Basically they are crap at money, always have been, probably always will be unless they stop, well, being Labour I suppose.

They stopped being Labour in 1994 when they appointed Blair as their leader. Sod the working class support base, let's abandon our principles in favour of free market fundamentalism and see how many middle-class voters we can steal from the tories by pretending to be them.

(incidentally I stopped voting Labour at that point).

If you want to see how socialism can improve the standard of living of the ordinary person on the street, then don't look at the Labour government of 1997-2010, because they took the politically expedient measure of deciding that "socialism" was a dirty word, and proceeded to expunge it from their ideology in order to appease the former tory voters who put them into power.

I'm not an economist, and I can't claim to understand all the random assertions that people throw around about whether or not the last government did a good job of looking after the economy, or whether the economy is even under the control of governments, or anyone for that matter.

But I do know this.

The previous (Blair/Brown/NuLabour) government was not in any way representative of the various left wing schools of thought. They adopted capitalism as a way into power, in defiance of the beliefs of their support base.

Have you ever considered the possibility that it's not the party in power that ruins things, but their blind belief in capitalism?
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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2010, 09:54:51 am »
I'm a bit concerned that Justin is asking Des to be his conscience.  Is he scared he won't be able to control himself?

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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2010, 06:37:17 pm »
if you want to discuss labour failures, there was a report in the paper yesterday, from the chairman of BT, he announced that due to pressure from the then Labour government, it set up a scheme for 26,000 apprentices, only trouble was, that after the initial entry application, over 6,000 were ruled out, because they couldnt write, spell or even put down a simple sentence....

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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2010, 08:21:06 pm »
if you want to discuss labour failures, there was a report in the paper yesterday, from the chairman of BT, he announced that due to pressure from the then Labour government, it set up a scheme for 26,000 apprentices, only trouble was, that after the initial entry application, over 6,000 were ruled out, because they couldnt write, spell or even put down a simple sentence....

Obviously our Education system is working then?

As I have said many times it is all very well having these fancy new buildings costing tens of millions of pounds, but buildings don't actually educate anybody, that is down to the skills of the teachers and the system under which they operate.

Now in the 1950's we had to recite our times tables to the rest of the class and we were rewarded with stars to being able to do so.  A little competition never hurt anybody and we all helped one another to succeed, but that isn't PC today and very few youngsters can do it without a calculator!

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Re: Expenses and Justin Tomlinson
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2010, 09:23:30 pm »
if you want to discuss labour failures, there was a report in the paper yesterday, from the chairman of BT, he announced that due to pressure from the then Labour government, it set up a scheme for 26,000 apprentices, only trouble was, that after the initial entry application, over 6,000 were ruled out, because they couldnt write, spell or even put down a simple sentence....


Having been emotionally scarred by BT (landed a few meself though) I'm not so sure some of the scrotes didn't creep through.

Don't think it's just BT though, seems to be no shortage of sloppy maths, grammar and whatever.

It's the ideas that count, not the spelling I have heard.

No it's feckin not. It does matter, standards dontyaknow.
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