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Offline Bobby Bingo

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Re: When is a question to the Cabinet not a question to the cabinet?
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2010, 03:30:31 pm »
I would appoint Steve Wakefield.
A Gamekeeper turned Poacher.
A man that not only knows a lot about local government but of equal importance a man that knows a lot of people in local government
People willing to "shop" there so called political collegues.
Bobby

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Re: When is a question to the Cabinet not a question to the cabinet?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2010, 08:49:39 pm »

Council constitution says it must be an opposition councillor (used to be leader of opposition until they changed it in 2007 to allow David Glaholm to take it)
They would have to change it again if they wanted to give it to a Conservative and I don’t think that would sit well with the audit commission.
KSmall  :) looks like the Tories might bring him out of the wilderness as a way to get back at Monty.  :WTF:
 
Oh for some grown up politics

To make changes to the council constitution does the council have to inform, or have it ratified by, the audit commission?

From my limited understanding, I have been lead to believe that the Borough Solicitor wrote the book on the Council Cabinet System and is nationally respected and used as a point of reference. If there is any way that the constitution can be changed to to allow a controlling party member to chair scrutiny then he is your man to find it.

Obviously this is just hearsay but disturbingly I have heard this rumor from several sources. It may just be a Tory smoke screen to make it more acceptable if a Con-Dem or Independent Councillor is given the job. It may also just be Tory bluster to keep Monty on the defensive, bit like the empty threat by Bluh to report him to standards.

Who knows? But if it does go to a Tory I think that Mr Robinson of Stoke Gifford will be receiving a few more complaints.  :fence:

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Offline Bogomil

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Re: When is a question to the Cabinet not a question to the cabinet?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2010, 09:42:05 am »
I would appoint Steve Wakefield.
A Gamekeeper turned Poacher.
:agreed:

To make changes to the council constitution does the council have to inform, or have it ratified by, the audit commission?
No I don’t think they actually need to inform or have it ratified but it is all about good governance. I believe the audit commission (and I’m sorry if I am quoting the wrong body but it was one of the government departments that looks at how councils are run) were not happy when so many of the overview and scrutiny chairs were given to ruling group members. Also IF I remember correctly there were rumblings last time they changed the constitution to allow any opposition councillor to take the scrutiny chair as the original plan to allow any non-cabinet councillor, (potentially a Conservative) to take it were not viewed favourably.

From my limited understanding, I have been lead to believe that the Borough Solicitor wrote the book on the Council Cabinet System and is nationally respected and used as a point of reference. If there is any way that the constitution can be changed to to allow a controlling party member to chair scrutiny then he is your man to find it.
From memory, although I can not find the page on here, someone once wrote on TS about the role of council scrutiny members and the misinterpretation of the role that the borough solicitor insists is their role.

The gist of the thread was that while the later insists scrutiny councillors are only allowed to scrutinise any decision based on it properly following the councils constitutional process, the former commented that councillors were entitled to scrutinise the whole of the decision. Basically that scrutiny councillors were being badly advised and restricted in what their roles actually were and what they were allowed to question. (Hopefully some bright TS spark will be able to direct me to it)  :D

Obviously this is just hearsay but disturbingly I have heard this rumor from several sources. It may just be a Tory smoke screen to make it more acceptable if a Con-Dem or Independent Councillor is given the job. It may also just be Tory bluster to keep Monty on the defensive, bit like the empty threat by Bluh to report him to standards.

Sadly I don’t think the Independent will be allowed the chair of Scrutiny even though they are the best qualified.
As for a Lib Dem chair, again I doubt they will want someone who they are not able to control. I think people are quite wrongly assuming that the national coalition will also result in local closer working ties. IMHO I suspect it will be the complete opposite.

I still think it will be KS for the chair of scrutiny.
Cast your minds back to 2007 and
http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=2090.msg11980#msg11980

I think part of that deal was, “behave or we’ll take it away again”.
Having been in the political wilderness since Monty replaced him as group leader (and financially a lot worse off) I suspect KS will jump at the chance to take the chair of Scrutiny.

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Re: When is a question to the Cabinet not a question to the cabinet?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2010, 12:25:05 pm »
On the BBC morning show this morning, they had an artilce about the council at Bournemouth, who have paid out 3 million pounds for a wave 'machine', designed to create better waves for the surfers, and so bring more of them to the beach, and its proved to be a utter waste, bought from a firm in New Zealand, so the council ere are not the only ones up the creek !!. :2funny:

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Re: When is a question to the Cabinet not a question to the cabinet?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2010, 09:36:00 am »
Answer: When the question is ignored and completely omitted from the published minutes.

It's hard not to take this personally. :(

Chris

Hi Chris

Ignored and omitted from minutes - just about covers it....

Open Question to SBC

What are the policies and procedures or protocol or whatever is current term for Public Questions , their recording, their response, time limits for response, AND where do supplementary questions stand ? - likewise their protocols ??

What is more - when is a question deemed a question and when a comment ?  What can be done if the officer or councillor simply shrugs their shoulders ?

personally ?....  I'll give you personally....

How does one take it when a former chair of education says at committee start words to the effect of "and now we come to public question time or as we've come to know it as 'Tony Hillier Question Time" !!

How does one react when one hears that an internal SBC memo has been circulated by Director of Education which commands that any correspondence or contact from TH must not be responded to but must be referred on to the Director !   ummm..

OK would Freedom of information request reveal the latter ? - I suspect not.

But this old geezer Tony has more or less moved on....otherwise it can emotionally get in the way of positive aspects of life and positive thoughts and behaviours.

Some of us at times sticks our heads above parapets and sometimes it gets shot off or mangled...but some of us would not have it any other way ie omo heads must be raised or we might as well all go home.

So Chris...Stick it to the man but don't let the man stitch you up !

How poetic and coded is this posting !!

Good morning talkswindon - now let's get out in that sun. 

 

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